Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Gracesgran, do not tell me to,keep up , you are soooooo bossy

Well,it worked but wrong bit of the interview, and Hatton was a property developer

Anniebach Sun 14-Aug-16 12:48:29

Owrn Jones , Supporter of Corbyn, am I expected to be impressed by it?

Do keep up Annie; Owen Jones ceased his support for Corbyn some time ago and has had to take the flack for doing so.

Anniebach Sun 14-Aug-16 11:10:45
Gracesgran, there will be no Labour Party to vote for . And sorry but being sneaky about your glazed eyes is personal attack

Oh dear you are going for the passive aggressive approach now Annie. You really cannot say sorry before the attack as this points up your aggressive comment and merely says you although you feel you have the right to attack me you don't want anyone to anyone to confront you about it, i.e., you may be aggressive but they may not.

As you are not a member of the party you will not be able to recall the wilderness years. That insight was only available to party members then Annie? What an arrogant view to take. I think your memory is playing you up yet again as I have told you before I was a founder member of the SDP. The SDP did not create itself; it was created from the schisms in the Labour Party and the bile and vitriol that was destroying their chances then - just as it is now. I do not see how the anti-Corbyn remarks will aid the LP in the long run but I know you believe you are right which is why I ceased to comment for a while but it I find it boring and worse to see such comments made.

youtu.be/1j5ER1npNj4

No idea if this is right link or if it will work

Roberta Blackman-woods and Helen Goodman were at the Gala this year, marching with their banners as they usually do.

Clicked too soon,i am not defending Blair I am defending the truth

Jen, you said he thought about making money from dictators than for constituents. I withdraw lies and hope you will admit your claims were wrong

No need to mock either, I make no apology for speaking of MP's I have met whilst working hard for the Labour Party.

I have no intention of reading - Corbyn in his own words - he lies

I DID NOT SAY HE MADE MONEY FROM DICTATORS WHEN HE WAS PM.
STOP TWISTING WHAT I SAID.
He made money after he resigned from his contacts when he was PM.
Everybody knows, Annie, that you win in the I know and have met more MPs than anyone else stakes, but how you can stick up for Blair is beyond my comprehension.
Less than a year ago you were telling everybody on here to back Corbyn. Now you have changed your mind, you expect everyone else to. Sorry, but there are others on here who have principles, too.

For those who want to read the latest article by Corbyn, in his own words, not twisted, here it is.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-interview-leadership-plots-nhs-education

The Durham Miners Association are entitled to invite who they want to stand on the platform at their own event. I can see no trace of the word "traitor". If that is the conclusion you draw from their words it is an entirely personal one.

Careful POGS, truth upsets the Corbynites

Oops, sorry forgot to ask Jen, how come my criticism of Corbyn is classed as me venting my spleen but your lies about Blair making money from dictators when he was PM is acceptable ? I haven't posted lies to attack Corbyn.

Regarding the Durham Miners Gala I have mentioned several times before how 'once' very well respected MP's were now being called 'traitors' because they do not toe the Corbyn line. I will repeat a question I asked before.

Did any Northern Labour MP's share the platform with Corbyn in the end, Kevan Jones, Pat Glass, Roberta Blackman -Woods, etc.. The 'traitors' as they have been called for voting 'no confidence' in Corbyn were uninvited from sharing the platform.

Statement on 132nd Durham Miners' Gala

by Davey Hopper
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on July 04, 2016
Contrary to recent press reports, Labour MPs who refused to support Jeremy Corbyn in the recent vote of confidence have not been "banned" or "barred" from attending this year's Gala. The Gala is a public event which anyone can attend.

However, the invitations to attend the official Durham Miners’ Association events and functions, stand on the balcony of the County Hotel and grace the platform on the Racecourse have been rescinded.

Statement by the Durham Miners Association.

"Jeremy Corbyn is a guest of the Durham Miners’ Association at this year’s Gala and we will not allow those who have sought to humiliate him and undermine the democratic process in the Labour Party the honour of taking part in the aforementioned Gala traditions.

Dave Hopper, General Secretary, Durham Miners' Association
Monday 4th July 2016

www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-07a7-Labour-traitors-not-welcome-at-Durham-Miners-Gala#.V4EF-ZDTVcs

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-durham-miners-gala-brexit-news-traitors-mps-no-confidence-vote-a7110916.html

Owrn Jones , Supporter of Corbyn, am I expected to be impressed by it ?

No Jen I am not twisting your words, perhaps you can explain how he put making money from dictators before his constituents ? And also provide proof that he held miners in contempt ? Because this too is untrue , I met him several times in South Wales , you may know South Wales was a string mining area ? And why did his Sedgefirld constituents keep supporting him when he held such contempt for thrm?

I have stopped reading your links since you posted that rubbish a few days ago .

Corbyn will make sure a trot is selected for Jo Cox's seat, into parliment and the shadow cabinet

'Blair’s defenders – who you are more likely to find in the media than in the general population – are deeply irritated by any pushback to his finely honed spin. They believe Blair’s leftwing critics are possessed by an irrational collective madness. Because he won elections, his detractors should really just express blind gratitude.

This is not a line of argument Blair’s remaining supporters would apply to, say, Ken Livingstone. Iraq, for Blair’s champions, is no big deal, a topic worthy of a yawn … why can’t we just move on from it? Hundreds of thousands of dead (179 British soldiers among them), millions injured and displaced, the rise of the horror of Islamic State: these are all apparently insufficient grounds to have something of a grudge against Tony Blair.

That he spent the last few years amassing millions of pounds in the service of dictators – such as Kazakhstan’s Nursultan Nazarbayev, who Blair offered PR advice after his tyrant client regime massacred striking workers – is worthy of nothing but an eye-roll. After all, Blair won a landslide victory in 1997, so there is nothing else to say.

In another world, being paid millions to work for dictators who kill their opponents, let alone orchestrating an invasion that has produced blood and chaos on an industrial scale, would be sufficient grounds to retire from public life.'

From Owen Jones' article.

Twisting my words, Annie.
I did not say he did it at the same time.

You appear to be the only one who watched the Hatton interview, and I cannot be bothered to look for a link to it. However, this might please you, although I was given the link by voxpolitical.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-mps-call-david-miliband-8626175

You can even vent your spleen by voting against Corbyn on it.
Although you do not read my links any more, do you?

Ihope it does not happen, because I think Jo Cox's seat should be taken by a woman. If Miliband does stand, it will be for the wrong reasons.

Jen,you said -.might have made him a nicer person if he had thought more about his constituents and less about making money in the service of dictators

No other way to take this statement, to have constituents he must have been an MP at the time he was making money in the service of dictators

How about a link to the Hatton interview ? The one where he claims he wants to be in the party because it is going back thirty years

Annie, I said that Blair had been invited every year to the Durham miners gala. I said nothing about after he had stood down as PM/MP.
He was invited every year while he was MP for a mining constituency and never went.
Quite simple to understand.

Already been posted Beam and ignored. If opponents are so intimidated they only need to say so. Where are the anti-semetic allegations ? If it's the Mail on Sunday I wouldn't bother repeating them. It isn't a paper renowned for its accuracy or its unbiased reporting. You shall know them by the newspapers they read perhaps?

Foster is right

Michael Foster, who gave Labour £400,000 at the last Election, described the team around the leader as his Sturmabteilung – the full name for the Nazi regime’s SA, or stormtroopers. Mr Foster (pictured) said Mr Corbyn’s team was an ‘aggressive, holier-than-thou cadre of committed hard-Left socialists’ who ‘excluded, briefed against, often threatened and intimidated’ opponents. The Brownshirts were key to the Fuhrer’s rise to power, defending venues where he gave speeches and disrupting opponents’ meetings. Mr Foster’s remarks, in an article for today’s Mail on Sunday, follow a series of allegations of violent and anti-Semitic incidents in Labour

Thank you varian, I am now very tired but I cannot give up fighting for a party which has done so much good .i am not a Blairite or a trot , but am to the left

I sympathise with your predicament, Annie. As a long-standing LP activist it must be quite heartbreaking to see the party tearing itself up. You would be welcome to come and join the many other ex-LP members in the Liberal Democrats.

Gracesgran, there will be no Labour Party to vote for . And sorry but being sneaky about your glazed eyes is personal attack

I am not a Smith supporter, I will vote for him but my vote is an anti Corbyn vote.

As you are not a member of the party you will not be able to recall the wilderness years , I haven't. Corbyn led a campaign to get the expelled trots back into the party even thought we had suffered the wise defeat since , I think, 1913