Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Frank Field: the best leader we never had.

Inquiries carried out from within? Dreadful. And called "independent? Dreadful.

As it happens, that is what I and several other people are battling but in a different scenario entirely. And we too currently do not know what to do about it. It is like battling your head against a brick wall.

What you see us what you get , mmmmmm, exactly

Thirty years ago he was 38, a new MP,

Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum seem tone focussed on the dismantling of the existing Labout Party and then remodelling the organisation to pursue their own political aims. I foresee the destruction of the Labour Party as we have known it. As Anniebach said, Mandelsin and Blair won a historic three terms in office with New Labout, and Ed Milliband commented that the defeat of Labour in the last General Election could have been due to them not appealing to the aspiring middle class. Now JC wants to appeal to the disaffected.

love a political discussion

Bit of a dodgy guy to me. Not sure if I can trust him.

Margaret Thatcher called New Labour her greatest achievement.

Daphnedil thank you for the link, I have only just managed to look as it did not work before.

Thank goodness I've already eaten, it made me feel a bit queasy

I was going to rejoin the party just so I could vote against him but it felt like £25 thrown away considering the support he has from the anarchic young. As for the general election when it comes, for the first time in my voting life I don't know if I can vote Labour. Particularly torn because our MP is a good constituency MP and I know what he thinks about Corbyn and Momentum from a conversation I had with him at a Christmas party. I don't see a way out and it's all very depressing,

Thatcher said - make me an instrument of your peace

Ehere there is hatred let me sow love

Where there is injury pardon

Where there is doubt faith

Where there is dispair hope

And so on

Yep Thatcher wasn't a woman's word I would take , but to each their own I suppose

Daphnebroon, all the parts of the NHS that you mention are parts that have been given contracts lately by New Labour to shorten queues left by the Tories, then continuing the privatisation by the Tories since they came back into power.
You might not care who provides so long as things get done. Socialists should.
In fact, many GPs are giving up their partnerships and taking salaried positions for a better work/life balance. They do not want what the new contract is offering them.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/commissioning/gps-face-complete-halt-on-all-non-urgent-referrals-under-ccg-plans-to-cut-costs/20032470.article
This is in the North West.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/hot-topics/stop-practice-closures/partners-faced-with-800000-potential-liability-following-practice-closure/20032392.article
This is in Birmingham.

If you want to see what GPs think of what the government is doing to their private industry, just read any other article in Pulse.

The first thing a socialist should care about is winning power, only then can socialism change the injustices

My sister in law who retired 3 years ago owned her GP practice and as the article describes "contracted" the services of the practice to the NHS.
Not a recent phenomenon.
Dentistry likewise has been private for years
Not saying I am at all happy with it, but it has been the case for several if not many years. Not sure if the general public realises this.

Agreed DaphneBroon and I don't believe the 'general public' realise just how far down the path to privatisation the NHS has been driven. My podiatry/biomechanics service is still provided by the same NHS team, because they tell me "we're cheaper and better than any of the private competitors". That wasn't the case in dentistry was it, it's now very very difficult to register with a good NHS dentist.

That's what Iwas saying, Daphne.
Everyone who knos anything about the NHS knows that GPs contract out their services to the NHS privately. That's because from the start of the NHS GPs refused to come on board.

However, now GPs are getting fed up of being made the scapegoats, do not want to pay for their premises, and want an easier life, so are coming back into the fold.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/hot-topics/stop-practice-closures/partners-faced-with-800000-potential-liability-following-practice-closure/20032392.article

This is a practice in Bicester. GPs do not want to end up like this, facing financial ruin.

Some of us on here saw exactly what Corbyn was like from word go, however we didn't probably think that things would get so bad for the Labour Party under his 'non leadership' as it has.He will very likely be voted back in....and where do they go from there? After they lose the next GE...will he fall on his sword then or go on ( and on) like the Duracell bunny?

I did base my choice on voting for Vorbyn based on the facts he was on the left, was a pacifist and I had heard him address miners rallies, such passion, such fire. Since all his appearances st momentum rallies and non appearances on tv during the Brexit referendum I realised he is comfortable talking to the converted. I think him s hypocrite by refusing to share a tv platform with Cameron and so not fighting for the remain campaign yet sharing a platform with Hamas. his choice in Merthyr on where to speak to people was an insult to those who died for the cause of true socialism. His constant momentum rallies where he knows he will not face hecklers. The fact he doesn't care about winning an election as long as he can remain leader and spout candy floss, all he is going to do when he wins power, which dill never happen, so the homeless increase, zero hours contracts remain as do food bank.

In my opinion snyone who hopes and prays for a socialist government will realise this will never happen with Corbyn as leader, he will not gain seats in middle England and lsbour needs these.

Exactly ab in fact, Corbyn could 'talk' for an Olympic Gold Medal, but it's about all he is good for, spouting to the the converted.

Um...Sticking my neck out here, but I like Jeremy. Not saying he is perfect - no one is - and I'm sure they'll be times when he fails to live up to expectations. However, compared to the lying, callous ratbags who make up most of our leading politicians, he's the only one who seems to give a toss about those at the bottom of the heap. I don't think he's a saint but when you think of Blair..Brown..Cameron...Clegg...May... Gives me the creeps to think of them!

And who will he blame at the next general election when ukip take the labour vote?
Because believe me, they will.

Constantly SAYING you care about the dispossessed , poor etc. Doesn't translate to action though, unless you are in power.Labout will not be in power with him at the helm.

Nelliemaggs, I can remember the first time in my life I didn't vote Labour - it was when Tony Blair became leader. I rejoined the party and started voting for them again when Ed Miliband became leader as he at least was not associated with New Labour & was therefore the best option at the time. Now I support Corbyn because I think he is taking Labour back where it belongs. I don't think he is the perfect leader but he is the best we've got at the moment. To quote a politician I like even less than I like Blair, "there is no alternative".

henbane, you believe Corbyn will win the general election?

henbane if he's the best labour has, your going to need a miricle come 2020, or before.

Tom Watson has said lsbour has been inflatrated by trots, needl ss to say he has been attacked by the corbynites who accused him of being part of a conspiracy . They are paranoid , seem unable to accept not everyone worships st the shrine of Corbyn

New Labour was a disaster - all it succeeded in doing was making Labour electable because the middle class felt happier about voting for them. And so we got Blair......'nuff said.

Corbyn is seeking to create a socialist party - he is open and up front about that. So for socialists, he is the clear choice.

Those who believe that the Labour party's job is to get elected at all costs will want someone who will compromise on socialist principles in order to be electable.

There is of course no reason at all why the Labour party should not choose to cease to have socialism as its underlying principle.