Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Better than saying you do not care about the dispossessed, roses. Do you care about them? If so, what are you doing about it?
Here's a challenge for May.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/08/no-10-resists-pressure-to-hold-off-launching-national-living-wage
16 trade bodies want the Tories to reconsider. It will be interesting to see what happens before the next election.

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Corbyn's exposure during the referendum debate, compared to others in the Labour party, for a bit of balance.

It doesn't matter what I am doing /not doing about it djen furthermore is none of your business and even more furthermore I am not in the Cabinet and am in no position to do something about it.My point actually was that words are easy, and that if Corbyn is not in power he can promise the world but won't actually have to do a single thing.
It's alright saying that Corbyn is a clear choice for Socialists, but the electorate does not want a Socialist government.

Some of them do, roses, and more than you think.

I support compromise if it means being in a position to do something positive than do nothing but make sympathetic mutterings.

Sympathy doesn't build houses, put food on the table of the poor does it?

But not enough, not nearly enough, to sweep them into power.Wishful thinking by Socialists will not make it so.

Not enough to win an election Jen, do you believe Corbyn will win the next election?

I agree Rosesarered, Corbyn will not win seats in middle England and these are needed

I give up , Annie. You carry on putting down the party you believe in, and revel in the agreement of right wingers if that's what you want.

Right wingers? what nonsense.

djen you are confusing the Party with the man.

I only read the first page of comments & don't want to get into an argument. I'll just say this:
at the age of 60 I have joined a political party for the first time in my life because for the first time in my life there's a Labour leader I can trust. I have paid an extra £25 in order to vote for him because despite Labour's website saying I was able to vote from the time of joining the NEC reneged on it. The disgraceful, despicable behaviour of the PLP has only strengthened my resolve. I'm not young, I don't 'worship' him or anyone, but for the first time in about 20 years I have real hope for the future. Corbyn was elected with a massive mandate & will be re-elected with an even greater one. Under his leadership Labour have done better than expected in council elections, the government have had to do 22 U turns, and there's a mass interest in politics from all ages that I haven't seen in my lifetime. I cannot wait to cast my vote - the times are changing & I want to be part of making this change happen.

Jen i am not putting down the party, and you know this, I am criticising Corbyn who is willing to sacrifice the chance of labour winning an election just so can he remain leader

Do you believe Corbyn can win an election ? A fair question

Right wingers are entitled to thie opinions as am I and you, in honesty I believe you are far too intelligent to believe we can win the election and you see admitting this will make you open to attacks by right wingers. I did it am have no regrets because I was being true to myself and to those I disagreed with and agreed with

I want a labour government, and each day I see there is no hope of this.

Annie, what's your response to the fact that during the referendum debate, Corbyn had 120 appearances in the media, whereas those that criticise hin for not appearing often enough only have about 20 each, even Alan Johnson, who you like and who was head of the labour remain campaign?
Your complaint is that Corbyn did not appear on a platform with Cameron. That seems sensible to me, as their reasons for staying in were completely different. Corbyn did not want to be seen to agree with Cameron's reasons for staying in. He also did not want to be seen to argue with Cameron.
He was in a no-win situation if he hadagreed to go on a platform with Cameron.
Why is Corbyn getting all the flak for losing the referendum when it was actually Cameron?

Roses, you are not the only one on this thread who agrees with Annie.

Well said, littlefierce.

Are you suggesting, Annie, that those who disagree with you are not intelligent?
How do you see us getting a labour government? All you say is we will not. We will not while they are arguing among themselves instead of getting behind the leader who was chosen by mandate, and will probably be chosen again by an even greater mandate this time.
What will you do then? Accept the will of the people?

Well said littlefierce. Every time I come back to this thread there are more put-downs - but also someone new who articulates what so many of us Old Labour-ites are feeling.

Really interesting to read littlefierce and I rather think you are not alone.

I do not understand why, Annie, you believe airing some fairly undemocratic views with very personal remarks about one person can actually help the party you will want others to vote for.

Who knows who will win an election? Who thought Trump would be heading for the Whitehouse or we would be contemplating a very different future out of the EU. Perhaps this is a time of change. It is certainly better that any change is brought about by democratic moves and, it appears, there are many within the LP who will be as undemocratic as necessary, and insulting and as mean minded towards others as they feel they need to be to get their way.

We live in interesting times and, whatever happens within the LP, change is on the horizon and some of it will be very challenging so it would be really good if we had an opposition as soon as possible not all this infighting and taking to the courts.

Gracesgran There are 1000s of people in this country who are describing JC in just the same way that Anniebach is, a lot stronger in my home.
durhamjen I don't just agree with Anniebach, I admire anyone who had been so vocal in their support for JC and then realised what a terrible error of judgement they had made and then admit their mistake on a public forum takes balls in my book.
Most people on this forum recognised that.

The people I fear most are those who mindlessly hate anyone who has different political views to theirs and who always assume that their opponents are driven by the basest of motives.

There is no monopoly of good or evil in any party. Most people come into politics for the best of reasons. Some, in all parties, come into it for power and personal advantage. I know of no party that does not want to help those at the bottom of the heap. The difference is the political policies and philosophies that govern how they think this can be done.

So far parties all along the political spectrum from left to right have been remarkably incompetent at doing it.

Just my twopenneth ! I am a Corbyn supporter and have several family members and friends who have joined to support him . We are not Trots or hard left, just ordinary people . I think all the back stabbing which is going on from the anti Corbyn people seems to be having the opposite effect and his popularity is growing . He will be re elected with an even bigger majority. Possibly the right of the party will split and reform themselves under another name ?

Petra, seems I changed my views on on the blessed Jeremy to please right wingers in this forum and not because he is a useless leader. I wish he would develop balls and stop hiding behind momentum and McDonald

Tom Watson has not been accused of a conspiracy by Corbyns lot because Tom said trots has infiltrated the party, I have thoughts of Corbyn racing around yelling - infamy, infamy, they all have it infamy

Time will doubtless tell what the actual facts are. But from my view point, as a labour supporter, I think the hard left, the Trots, Momentum, or whatever you want to call them are manipulating traditional labour voters.

What started as an understandable and long-awaited return to 'traditional labour values' has been cleverly highjacked. IMO.

The clamp down on benefits and the austerity measures has certainly fuelled the hatred of the current government and this has been seized upon and used as a catalyst to draw people in.

Animal Farm 2016 style.

Thank you littlefierce and durhamjen. So good to have some sanity and sensible debate. Anyone remember The Boys from the Blackstuff? Yesterday I watched the soliloquy episode in the Liverpool Docks where the Docker is dying and looks back on his dreams. We have to have hope don't we. Only when we understand the role of the media in distorting reality so that we end up punching ourselves in the face will we all be courageous enough to demand real change.

Anniebach lol