Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

DJ 21.00

You might indeed be close to the Labour Party but you have repeatedly told us not to vote Labour. If being close to a party gives a poster the sole right to speak on behalf of it or against it then GN might as well close down the politics forum.

I don't need the press to give me information as to what happens or what is being said . There have been so many informative interviews on programs such as Daily Politics, News Stations that we have the ability to hear from the 'horses mouth'. The right wing press scenario is just a cop out for those who can't raise the quality of a debate but have to fall back on ' blaming ' something, anything for not getting their way instead of listening to another point of view usually. The left blame the right wing press, the right blame the left wing press, it's how it is but both the left and right wing press report factual information for the most part but spin, report in a fashion the suits their politics best.

You are like myself Durhamjen an avid watcher of Parliament Live and when the 'horses mouth' happens to be to Labour MP's in Parliament the press become nothing more than mouth pieces for either the left or right of politics as there is no arguing with what can be heard in Parliament Live or by listening to individuals being interviewed. Labour MP's have at times vocalised their angst re threats of deselection and it has not been refuted by Corbyn , McDonnell et al.

As for your personal question re Anniebach I hope she will accept my apologies for responding as I think it an impertinent question to be honest.

Anniebach is doing no more than Corbyn or any of us have a perfect right to do, 'go with her conscience'. She has been accused of insulting others but refused to play the 'victim card' and stood her ground and I admire that. Her position has always been clear she was a staunch Labour member and activist and has made no bones about the fact she has shifted her position on Corbyn and for that she has received mixed comments from posters some who agree with her, some who vehemently disagree.

However Anniebach has repeatedly spoken against the Conservative Government as a loyal Labour member but has been treated rather shabbily by some on the left of politics as if she were a Tory stoodge and I have found that mirrors what is going on within Labour at the moment.

It could be the Conservative Party next week to show signs of division, who knows , politics is full of madness at the moment.

dj, I dont know why you are called hypocritical, and I cant say I have noticed that.

ft - no I dont pay. I just see the headline, and then google it putting part of the headline and the words financial times in too, and often, the full article will pop up.

I will copy and paste some of it tomorrow, not just where he talks about boundary changes, dj.

Jen, you ask a poster their opinions on another poster ?

I have been honest from the start, I supported Corbyn, I canvassed and voted for him. I watched, read and ,listened, realised like Margaret Hodge he wasn't decent but devious, once I reached this view I posted and said so.

You said today Khan would not get votes from Momentum voters if he stood for London mayor next time , Sod what good he could do as mayor, just because he chose Owen not Corbyn fir leader and gave his reasons why. This us how the Labour party has always elected the leader .

in my opinion you are in the clutches of momentum, you don't care if Corbyn never wins an election so cannot protect the vunerable, you just want him as leader ,and sod breaking up a party you claim to support

'There’s going to be, as you know, a total boundary review, which the first report of will be out this Autumn and implemented in 2018,” Corbyn said at today’s launch.

“If this parliament runs to full term, then the new boundaries will be the basis on which selections take place. On that case, there would be a full selection process in every constituency, but the sitting MP for any part, or any substantial part of the constituency would have the opportunity to put their name forward.

“So there will be a full and open selection process for every Labour constituency party throughout the UK.”

A spokesperson for Jeremy Corbyn said: “All he did was describe Labour Party rules. Sitting MPs whose constituencies are not affected would be re-selected through trigger ballots. Jeremy does not support mandatory re-selection of MPs.” '

Do you believe this, from Labourlist?

Margaret Beckett did give her vote to Corbyn when he was desperate for nominations, she did so to give balance, left of centre, centre, right of centre and fsr left. This to me is fair, she wasn't to know he had no intention of campaigning fairly, dhe us a politician not a mind reader. I like and respect Margsret Beckett, an example of true party loyalty, sadly this is alien to Corbyn who is sooooo against the Lords he elevated his independent / new party member to the lords just a few weeks after her independent enquiry found no evidence of racism.

I am called hypocritical because I still support Corbyn, obie.
Corbyn hasn't said anyone WILL be deselected. He said that they might be if they cannot persuade their local membership that they still support the aims of the party. The reason that the seat will come up for reselection is because of the boundary changes; nothing to do with Corbyn's followers.

I can't look at your ft link because it appears I have looked at too many this month. You pay for the ft, do you?

Ab has explained herself on many occasions. Why dj do you have a problem with accepting her change of heart and apologies?

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8d09d2f4-4f38-11e6-88c5-db83e98a590a.html

JC said so

Margaret Beckett says she regrets nominating Jeremy Corbyn now. I have a lot of respect for her, as my local Labour MP in what seems to be s sea of Conservatives.

So what do you think of Annie lauding Corbyn a year ago and changing her mind now?

Pat Glass will not be deselected. She has said she is standing down. She said she was going to do that, as she only wanted to be in for two terms.

Keir Starmer was only elected in 2015. I think he would be a good person to take over after Corbyn. I have always said so and will still say so.
As far as London is concerned, I have no say in whoever represents it in parliament or as mayor.
I resent being called hypocritical.
It's hypocritical of labour MPs to give their backing to Corbyn last year, then say but I didn't mean him to win, Harriet Harman, for one.

How do either of you know that deselection will happen?
I don't, and I am possibly closer to the party than either of you. Or are you taken in by the right wing media?

Further.

It is said Corbyn voted with his 'conscience' as though that makes it all OK.

What is the difference in Corbyn being 'permitted' to vote with his 'conscience' and not say Jess Phillips.

The answer is a person gives credit to one and dismisses the other on the basis of whether or not the person who is using 'conscience' as a let off/ a way of giving credence to another agrees with their opinion/view or not.

Therefore it is wise to accept that 'voting with your conscience' is a right of the individual whether we agree with them or not . That is what the MP's who have angered some Corbyn supporters have done and yet they are the ones threatened with deselection , is that what counts as fair play ?

How can a voter, any voter, trust Corbyn to tun the country and look after them, when he can allow deselection of people who presumably he was quite friendly with in years gone by. If he does that to friends..

Durhamjen

I think I know we all have one vote in a General Election likewise the constituents entitled to vote London have one vote for Mayor.

My point is there are posters, like yourself, who have over the years posted how wonderful this/that Labour Party MP is and Saddiq Khan is just one of them.

Now he is all of a sudden a loser who will not get re-elected if yours and others thought process comes to fruition. Why because he is excercising his right to back another candidate above your choice of candidate, Corbyn.

I will give other examples. MP Pat Glass, MP for North Durham, whom you have lauded in the past resigned from the Corbyn Cabinet , voted no confidence in Corbyn and sadly reported receiving death threats . Should she now be deselected? I fully understand that being an MP is not a job for life as you say but as far as I can see her only mistake is having the guts to stand up and be counted against a Leader she feels is not suitable. A Leader that was not on the scene when she was selected as the Labour candidate. Now she is a traitor in the eyes of some in the Labour Party and most probably one who stands a distinct risk of deselection.

The point you make re the candidates at the next General Election having to say to their constituents they support the Labour Party's aims and constitution begs another question. If that was the be all end all how did Corbyn keep getting reselected when the Labour Party Policy was to renew Trident and he opposed that policy and other widely noted differences between Corbyn and Labour Policy.

Other 'highly praised' Labour MP's such as Keir Starmer, Gordon Brown, Harriet Harmen, Kezia Dugdale, Heidi Alexander, Anna Turley, Hilary Benn, Steven Kinnock, etc. etc , if they are already standing down would possibly be deselected after years of service to the Labour Party.

It just seems so hypocritical of those in the party ( or not) who once put these MP's on a pedestal to suddenly knock them off and call them back stabbers/traitors/has beens/right wing/Tories/etc. etc. It certainly is a case of ' how the mighty have fallen '.

Then who has been appearing on tv debating with Owen Smith yygrasil?

I have a feeling we are already in the fire obieone and need to really relook at our politics. Is the most important thing really whether Corbyn gives interviews or not? He may or may not be the change we need but I just hear closed minds and ears.

Not out of the frying pan into the fire though Gracesgran.

Corbyn gave one tv appearance ?
Corbyn doesn't 'give' TV appearances. He is filmed while working, unless it is an agreed interview. And there aren't many of those becasue the media does not want to hear what he is saying.
(Unless you include that wonderful appearance on The Last Leg, completely refuting the claim he had no sense of humour)

How old fashioned some of this argument is sounding. We have people killing themselves in Greece because of the economics they have had to agree with, people dying as they cross seas to escape a life that offers little for them and their families and thousands being killed while we discuss how to fight over the land they live in.

In this country the rich get richer and we are told this is how it has to be and the poor are starting to look at pre-war living standards.

Perhaps we need some changes.

Rubbish. Loads of MPs disagree with Corbyn and say so all the time. But it's nothing to do with dictatorship. Corbyn cannot be a dictator, because you all say he will never be PM.

However, those disagreeing with him are not doing it according to labour party principles.

Now he's getting criticised for being old! How sad.

during the Brexit campaign Corbyn gave one tv appearance, I hive lost count of the number of times he has been on tv campaigning for his own leadership success.

I support the views of Margaret Hodge - I thought he was a decent man but now I see he is a devious man

AB, you are so right when you say we are in a dictatorship. No matter how good Sadiq is he will never be good enough for the JC supporters, having dared to come out against him. Freedom of disagreeing with the 'leader' has gone from the Party under the present incumbent. Those who join up to follow JC had better learn to bow the knee and pull the old forelock. No room for disagreement here. JC, on the under hand, was left free to get on with it even under Blair.
Sadiq won the mayorship because he was far and away the best person for the job and he avoided JC like the plague.

Sorry, it's www.theyworkforyou.com
Government departments are usually .org.

Gladstone was pretty old but then he didn't have an intrusive media, spin doctors, image makers to contend with. The modern politician needs to be media savvy, well-dressed and preferably pleasant to look at; old sports coats, avoidance body language and a bit of a squint won't cut the mustard!

Well Beam, if we have an election in three years time and Corbyn wins he will be the oldest PM I know of, he said his policies could take up to ten years , this means he is PM when over eighty years of age.

The link doesn't work for me - probaby my computer problem.