Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Anniebach did you manage to chat to any of the newer members at your last constituency party meeting?

Yes blueskies and I listened to them

Anniebach Did you learn anything from them and what ages were they? How many? Did you notice anything different about the meeting?

Blueskies, I am not going to repeat discussions I have held with members of my constituency party durung a meeting

Ok but are you able to tell us who your local party nominated for NEC and Leader because this is not confidential

If, as it seems clear, JC will be the leader, he will have to prove himself worthy of the confidence many people will have afforded him.

I've done the phone canvassing and standing in town centres on wet and windy Saturdays handing out flyers and talking the talk in the past, but have resigned from the Party. This time the Party, led by the seemingly intrepid Jeremy Corbyn will have to convince me to vote for the Party, never mind re-join.

Anniebach maybe you've missed a few meetings and that is why you are not up to speed with happenings. Must go. Stuff to do

No Blueskies sorry ,

It does seem strange that people are leaving the party because of Corbyn and people joining because of him. I suppose you can say that at least he has galvanized some political action in the country. I still do not understand what Annie or any of the members of the PLP who are opposing him really want. They talk about an 'electable party leader' but haven't put up anyone who could really be considered as opposition. Instead of all the carping about Corbyn and his supporters what about a positive suggestion of a real leader with left wing ideas who could lead the labour party? (Oh hang on haven't we already got one!)

No we haven't already got one Trisher but we so need one

I was always advised, to dress for the job you're applying for. I'd denims and check shirt for construction work, or suit, collar and tie, for office job. JC looks as if he's ready to apply for a job as hobo. He comes across to me, as a complete and utter wimp. With the accompanying appearance of total bewilderment. I've been voting age since 1954. I wouldn't vote for him, if he was the last politician on earth.

But then you have probably never voted Labour Balini so you won't be missed.

Annie reading through this thread I find you have critcised Corbyn supporters as 'trots' 'members of Momentum' 'Corbynistas' 'groupies' and terms which could generally be regarded as abusive and demeaning. Can I ask how you think this helps the party you have worked for? Shouldn't you be embracing these people and accepting them as supporters of real social change? I can find no positive suggestions in any of your comments. I don't think any of us are die-hard Corbyn supporters just that we see in him an opportunity for real change and we are hoping the Labour party will become a voice for the poor and underprivileged, something our country really needs.

Ahem, trisher, I've only ever voted for Labour once and I don't think I'll be voting for them again as things stand at the moment.

It's all very well having socialist principles and 300,000 loyal supporters, but Labour needs another 15 million or so voters, including people who might have never voted Labour. Without those voters, Labour stands no chance of putting any of its socialist principles into practice. It needs to represent those people who object to the way the Conservatives are running the country, even if they don't have pure socialist principles. If it can't do that, I hope there is a breakaway group, which listens to the millions, not thousands, and represents voters.

At the moment, Labour looks like a party which can't even control its own members, committees and MPs, never mind having any credibility on the world stage or fighting inequality caused by tax abuse, etc. I don't really care about how they dress, but I do care about how they behave.

Trisher,i have never called all supporters of Corbyn what you accuse me of, apology please

Thanks for the supportive comments on my post - I don't post often here but felt I had to on this occasion. I honestly believe that I've become more politically aware through social media. If the only sources people get their information from are the BBC and newspapers, it's no wonder people are getting a very distorted view of what is actually happening. Liking FB pages such as Vox Political & The Canary (left leaning I know, but given MSM is right leaning it provides balance)has made me feel like I've been walking round blindfolded most of my life, & wondering what else I've been lied to about. To anyone unsure of what to think, I'd say, go on Facebook, look at the pages I've mentioned and make your own mind up based on hearing all sides of the debate

Trisher, I think you will find I was the one who named them 'groupies' so AB is off the hook on that one. I refer to myself and members of my close family as groupies if they take up a cause. I don't see it as abusive or demeaning. Sometimes that is purely in the mind of the reader.
We have yet to see if the Corbyn supporters are in favour of real social change. There is a big divide between the rhetoric and how that is actually implemented. There are always constraints on a Government from both home and abroad and his, if he becomes PM, will be no different. They always produce less than they promise. Sometimes the followers have no real idea how to implement what they want and don't actually like how it will be implemented if it suddenly costs them money or time or they don't receive the benefits. I don't object to a more left wing agenda. I do object to having a leader of the Party who has yet to engage with those not yet committed and whose votes are needed to gain power. When he yet again wins the leadership I will expect him to step far outside his comfort zone and start to engage with those very people. I will expect real debate with experienced figures of all persuasions. I will expect to see him engage in 'on the hoof' performances and not pre-prepared material. A PM cannot go to the country for every decision. I will expect political commentators to be less gentle with him than they have been to date. I will also expect no favouritism to his supporters, no widespread deselection of perfectly decent MPs, no dumping at local and constituency level of perfectly decent and hardworking volunteer officials, no building of a political dynasty. Not holding my breath on the latter statements.

Daphne, the Corbyn supporters are convinced he will gain fifteen million votes , pointless in saying he will not , he must surely know this , he is content to be leader of an opposition party , this will not change a thing , the tory government can do what ever they want and labour members can condemn them, that's all.

MP's who knew he would never win an election voted no confidence in him - a plot by blairites

Tom Watson has said some trots had infiltrated the party - a plot by Tom

The majority of his two shadow cabinets resigned - a plot by God knows who

Four former party leaders asked him to stand down - what do they know about leading the party!

Blair, Brown, Milliband and Kinnock are mocked by some party faithful , all good leaders , and if anyone knows how big a battle it is to get the party out of the wilderness it's Kinnock, even his wife was compared with Mrs Mandela by one poster .

meanwhile Corbyn walks on water

Great post Devo

Apologies if I have the poster wrong, but the spirit of the thing remains and it is demeaning- Groupies were young girls who followed bands and were generally available for sex- however you may use it this is its accepted meaning.
Annie said and maybe she is only quoting Tom Watson, but in my book if you pass something on you are endorsing it
"Tom Watson has said lsbour has been inflatrated by trots, needl ss to say he has been attacked by the corbynites who accused him of being part of a conspiracy . They are paranoid , seem unable to accept not everyone worships st the shrine of Corbyn"
It wasn't Corbynistas but Corbynites so I apologise for any mistakes. But the question remains how can you ignore these people and still support a party? They are a part of it. Acknowledge them, talk to them. It is the only way forward. Condemnation and name calling get you nowhere.

indeed condemnation and naming is counterproductive trigger

Yes, one can still support the party and 'ignore these people'. It's just a matter of passing facts, events and actions through a reality filter and not being swept up by the cult culture, false heroes and propaganda being fed to the gullible young and disillusioned.

How do you know who I talk to Trisher,

So trisher, you are so eager to tell people to listen ,not to call names yes?

How come you defended McDonald for calling members f*****g useless and accuse them of being plotters ?

Hell bells, Corbyn a leader? How will he cope as PM, when he went before the select committee to answer questions on the anti semitism allegations he took Shami with him and she wrote and passed notes to him when he was questioned

As an aside and probably not, I have always had a problem with the young and ever younger being given the vote.
It is well known by everyone that a sizeable number change their views later in life, so it never seems the right thing to do to hand them the vote at too young an age.