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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 18:07:05

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/28/virgin-broke-rules-releasing-corbyn-cctv-document

'But Virgin sought to diffuse the row. A spokesperson did not address the documents obtained by the Guardian, but instead repeated a statement thanking Corbyn for highlighting how helpful Virgin staff had been during his video.

“He’s also right to point out the need to introduce more trains on our route – that’s why we’re introducing a brand new fleet of 65 Azuma trains from 2018, which will increase seating capacity out of King’s Cross by 28% at peak times,” they said.

They admitted it could be hard to find a seat, particularly during sporting events or at certain times.'

Virgin trying to get themselves out of a sticky situation, after discovering they broke their own CCTV rules.
Corbyn didn't lie. He was very helpful.

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 17:44:34

It's called QE and Osborne used it all the time. But PQE gets the people working, puts money back into the economy, not into offshore bank accounts for people who are already rich enough.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 17:39:06

Nothing wrong with that going to conference , Labour party policies. What is wrong is Corbyn going to conference as leader and his momentum groupies holding their in the same city in the same week. Expect the lsbour MP's are in for mocking and booing from Corbyn groupies

Eloethan Sun 28-Aug-16 17:38:24

Where did all the money come from to bail out the bankers?

Ana Sun 28-Aug-16 17:35:47

Yes, where's all the money coming from?

obieone Sun 28-Aug-16 17:31:17

How will any of it get into practice dj?

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 17:29:11

' After the referendum: uniting our communities

Conference notes, that according to Stop Hate UK’s 16 August report, the number of hate crimes reported to them in the month after the Euro-referendum was up 72% on the same period last year. Specifically racist incidents increased 150%; the number of Eastern Europeans calling, 900%.

The National Police Chiefs’ Council says racist incidents are up 57%.

51% of abuse, according to another report from hate crimes organisations in July, was directly referendum-related. 12% was anti-Muslim. 14% targeted children.

The EY ITEM Club forecasting group predicts business lending will shrink 1% this year, 1.8% in 2017, 1% in 2018. It has slashed predictions for UK growth: 2.6% to 1.9% (2016), 2.3% to 0.4% (2017). In July consumer confidence took its sharpest drop since the 1990 crash.

We blame a government trashing already-struggling communities while promoting foul anti-migrant policies and rhetoric.

Labour must campaign to, minimally, limit the damage of Brexit by defending free movement and workers’ rights; fighting racism and uniting communities to win increased resources.

We must tackle the social distress feeding nationalism by leading a fight for decent jobs, homes and services for everyone, campaigning to tax the rich and business and:
– Restore the migrant impact fund
– Reverse cuts and privatisations in local government and other services since 2010, create secure, decently-paid public-sector jobs and training
– Build hundreds of thousands of council homes a year, regulate rents, strengthen tenants’ rights
– Raise the Minimum Wage to 2/3 median male earnings without exemptions, strengthen workers’ rights.'

Anything wrong with this going to conference?

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 17:25:19

' Hands off our schools – for comprehensive education

Conference notes

That on 6 August the Telegraph revealed Tory plans to deepen educational elitism by allowing more grammar schools.

That on 16 August the Guardian revealed that Collective Spirit Multi-Academy Trust, which in January only had 284 pupils, paid £700,000 over two years to a firm owned by its CEO. In June Ofsted judged one of the Trust’s two schools inadequate. This comes after a string of similar scandals connected to free schools and academies.

That the Guardian says Attwood Academies, run by financier Tom Attwood, failed to publish accounts for the year, in violation of DfE requirements. As chair of DfE’s Academies and Free Schools Board, Attwood is responsible for supervising academies across England!

That following public outcry and campaigning, the Tories have dropped blanket legally-enforced academisation of every school – but remain committed to forcing all schools to become academies.

Conference believes

That academisation means privatisation, public resources being handed to private sponsors; attacks on workers’ terms and conditions; and no improvement in children’s education.

That grammar schools encourage inequality and stunting of children’s potential.

We resolve

1. To work with education unions and campaigners, supporting teachers’ industrial action in the autumn.
2. That the next Labour government should stop and reverse the spread of academies, free schools and grammar schools, and ensure a democratic school system, with every state school a comprehensive community school under Local Education Authority control – well-funded including by increasing tax on the rich and corporations.
3. To call on Labour councils not to promote academisation.'

Anything wrong with this going to conference?

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 17:23:25

' NHS: stop privatisation, save the health service

Conference notes

The rising tide of cuts and privatisation engulfing the NHS.

That, following junior doctors’ vote rejecting Jeremy Hunt’s unsafe, unfair contract, the BMA’s Junior Doctors’ executive voted (11 August) for escalating strikes from early September; subsequently, the ‘risk register’ on Hunt’s so-called “seven-day NHS” plan was leaked.

The sudden closure of Grantham’s A&E (10 August) due to staff shortages; similar situations nationwide.

St Helen’s CCG’s proposal (9 August) to suspend all non-urgent care for four months! Although the decision was reversed, the Royal College of Surgeons predicts such problems becoming “commonplace” without increased funding and ending resource-draining, market-driven bureaucratisation.

Conference commits Labour to

Wholeheartedly supporting junior doctors’ and health workers’ fight to defend themselves and the NHS.
Exposing and fighting rolling privatisation and cuts, including the “Sustainability and Transformation Plans”.
Rolling renationalisation of clinical, ancillary and back-office services; creating a universal, comprehensive, publicly-owned, -run and -accountable, and free (including prescriptions, dentistry, optical care) NHS.
Nationalising social care along the same lines: a free, public system.
Fully publicly funding both, including by reversing expensive and wasteful privatisation and marketisation; increasing taxes on the rich and corporations; borrowing to invest where necessary.
Ending PFI; liberating the NHS from debt.
Reversing attacks on migrants’ rights to healthcare.
Opposing any “trade deal” aiding privatisation of public services or assets.
Improving workers’ pay, rights, training and say; restoring bursaries; safe staffing levels.
Tackling causes of ill health by reversing “austerity”.
Legislation furthering these goals.
Campaigning with unions, health campaigns, the “NHS Bill” initiative.'

Anything wrong with this going to Conference?

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 16:07:41

And sorry but ab will continue to speak out against Corbyn and momentum

thatbags Sun 28-Aug-16 15:54:58

That's a general 'you', btw, not a personal one.

thatbags Sun 28-Aug-16 15:53:25

Well she shouldn't because it wasn't. ab was just saying why she strongly disagrees with dj's point of view on Corbyn and the Labour Party. You can't whimper about personal attacks every time someone disagrees with you forcefully.

Well, you can, but to do so is daft.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 15:49:43

Jen saw it as personal Elegran

Elegran Sun 28-Aug-16 15:46:11

I typed a post but lost it. The gist of it was, that it was not a personal attack at all, it was a very clear statement of ab's view, in a similar way that dj's posts are statements of her view. Disagree with the opinion if you like (and I am sure you will) but you are wrong to see it as personal.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 15:45:35

Thsnk you thatbags, not a tirade , just trying to explain why I am against Corbyn and for the Labour Party and certainly not an attack on anyone here .

janeainsworth Sun 28-Aug-16 15:43:31

jen I didn't read Annie's post as a personal attack on you.
I read it as a sincere statement of her own beliefs.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 15:42:20

McDonald -spokesman for Corbyn - want's Branson stripped of his title because he now lives abroad and does not Scot in the best interests of this country. He thinks gongs are given to easily - like Shami perhaps - how many people work for Bransons companies in this country?

thatbags Sun 28-Aug-16 15:36:57

Respect from me too, ab. Your tirade, if that's what it was, was a tirade against Momentum and useless politicians wrecking the Labour Party, not against any gransnetter.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 15:21:51

Thank you Janeainsworth

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 15:19:24

Wow Trisher, you are more in touch with middle class voters than me? Must take my whippet for a walk and call in the workman club for a quick beer

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 15:17:36

Jen,i did not attack you, I have taken quite a few attacks from you, accusing me of using foul language , calling me a liar . I don't believe you are a liar , I do think you are swept up in the Corbyn fairy tale , you see a man who you believe will save the party, I disagree, I see a man who doesn't give a toss for the party

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 15:12:02

Respect for a personal attack on me? Thanks, Jane.

trisher Sun 28-Aug-16 15:08:43

Annie I don't propose to debate with you. I am a middle class floating voter so maybe I am more in touch with those voters

janeainsworth Sun 28-Aug-16 15:04:33

Wow, Annie. Your post at 14.52.Respect.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 14:56:24

Trisher a housing policy is useless unless the party supporting it is in power . Corbyn can prattle on about housing, trains and buses , sod all he can do because voters are not all supporters of the far left, in fact many fear the far left and I am speaking of voters not Labour Party voters .