Traingate

I did read it Jen. I am tired of all these bloggers and their blogs. I hoped the conference would be cancelled . I have voted for Smith but it was a vote against Corbyn.

You and I have different opinions on Corbyn, you think him to be honest and principled, I think him dishonest and unprincipled

You can keep denying he is not a militant but he is.

You would rather he be leader and the party ripped apart with the SNP as the official oposition party. I want Corbyn out, I do not want the militants dragging the party into the wilderness ,doesn't bother you, bothers me very much.

You were would rather him as leader and the Tories in power for years.

Nothing I have said about Corbyn has been from cults, blogs or any other far left, centre or right bloggers. I base my opinions on facts.

He let the party down during the Brexit campaign . He lied about the train, he has Galloway, Taffe and Hatton speaking out with their support .

He led a campaign to bring back Militants such as those three into the party , no problem with the harm the militant wing did to the party.

I have always said that for me it's the party and the principles it was born from that matter to me and what I have worked for for so many years , not for the likes of Corbyn to attempt to bring his communist beliefs back into the party. I am not stuck in the past as he is, I accept the party has to move to the centre to win an election. You seem to believe Momentum is above reproach, I do not.

I don't understand how there can be any objection to Corbyn's housing policy. There is no doubt that we have a housing crisis. The Conservatives will do nothing. This seems to be a solution
Labour, under my leadership, will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy.

We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership.

We will rebuild and transform Britain so that no one and no community is left behind.
Anyone with family renting must support this surely?

So you are ignoring an article about what should happen at the Labour Conference, and how the Smith supporters are saying they have fixed it.
That's the truth.

It has everything to do with the truth Jen .

That's got nothing to do with the article. I knew you wouldn't read but just continue your unjust rant against anyone and anything you disagree with.

It's about Labour First, which is the opposite to Momentum.
Are you feeling okay, Annie?

So the party made him sit on the floor of the train and lie. The party made him take a holiday during the Brexit campaign, the party stopped him appearing on to debates with Cameron, naughty party treating a honest, principled saint like that

Another momentum load of rubbish

bladeofgrassuk.wordpress.com/2016/08/27/luke-akehurst-from-labour-first-claims-to-have-already-fixed-the-labour-annual-conference/

This should please you all.

So true Petra , he has betrayed

This is what Angers Fogh Rasmussen, Secretary General of NATO 2009-2014 thinks of JC.
He accused JC of abandoning the principles of solidarity, collectivism and internationalism and, accused him of having " betraying the fundamental principles upon which the Labour Party usually worked"

True Jalima , and now the Labour Party cannot be an effective opposition party .

America has the Trump cult and we have the Corbyn cult

Unfortunately the Labour Party has become more about Corbyn than about its underlying principles.
When its leader embarks upon a series of silly stunts and becomes a laughing stock then it is in danger of no longer being an effective party in British Politics. After all these years this is a very sad and worrying situation.

When the Dear Leader becomes the major focus then it is more a cult than a political party.

Minor porkie? No a blatant lie and someone who can lie so easily can lie about much

Very few of your posts make any sense to me, obieone but I do try...

So, obieone, you are quite happy with the fact that 'democracy' can be claimed if enough people believe in the lie on which they have made a significant decision?

Yet Corbyn and his team apparently telling a minor porkie (and I'm not convinced by either side at the moment) is rocking the foundations of the democratic process because it apparently shows up insuperable moral failings in the Opposition leader?

Principle at stake here?

Or do we run our government on the 'Thou shalt not be found out' model?

Actually, your post of 9.53am doesnt make sense to me, but never mind, I am still out of here on this.

A lot of people didnt think it was the truth MaizieD.

Feels like we are going around in a circle, so I am out of here on this one MaizieD

A lot of people didnt think it was the truth MaizieD. Big difference

Oh, so if it's a lie that most people believe in it's a perfectly sound basis for democracy?

The Corbyn groupies and the Militants don't live in the real world , and those who speak of Corbyns principles are no different. Curl up in their sofas ,listening to the rise in the homeless and children in poverty and all they can say is - Blairs fault not mine.

Wrong, it will be the fault of you Nightowl, Jen and others who are more concerned with revenge and/ or defending a man who is more concerned with sodding trains and buses than with those sleeping on the streets.

McDonald's latest great announcement - when we are in power we will take Bransons knighthood from him. That will feed and house people.

It's far more than ab's views though, isn't it? I think many more people in RL would agree with her on this matter, than would agree with you nightowl from all I have seen and read.

Obieone, Judas had principles

The Iraq war cannot be forgotten but it cannot be undone , all this rubbish about Corbyn is really revenge on Blair and tough luck on those who are suffering now and will continue to suffer because some .

Annie I know you are angry with the way the Labour Party is going and with many of us on the left that do not share your views. But to be honest, what I am still angry and ashamed about is that it was the Labour Party, headed by a megalomaniac, that took us into an illegal war causing the deaths of thousands of people and suffering and horror that still goes on and on today. That can never (to me) be forgotten despite any good things the Blair government achieved.

Whatever is happening now is, in my opinion, a reaction to that legacy and the direction politics in general has taken since then. Yes it's not pretty, but maybe, just maybe something good will eventually come from the mould being broken. I for one am hopeful, and that's not because I see Jeremy Corbyn as a Messiah but possibly as a catalyst for change.

Nero

I think I would have to disagree with you there Ab. I think for instance that JC has principles. But is unwilling to compromise them? At all? As seen by him and his second wife splitting up over his sons education.
So his and others principles trump the bigger picture, sometimes or often to the detriment of others, many others.