Traingate

Well I can't argue I had made my mind up about Corbyn DJ but I trawled, looked up as I prefer to say, the internet when the Iran TV matter came up on one of the political programmes mentioned it 'months ago ' (might have been Newsnight or Daily Politics, maybe even the first Labour Leadership Contest).

I also listened to Corbyn speaking on Press t.v when Cameron mentioned Corbyn's thoughts on the death of Bin Laden 'months ago' in Parliament as it was easy to find.

As for Jack Straw and Hilary Benn, no doubt MP's from other political parties, who have gone to Iran on official business I have no thought. I dare say however they would not do as Galloway and Corbyn have been happy to do and presented/present a programme for the State of Iran. I only know of one more British MP that has been happy to be connected to Press TV and that was Lembit Opik. Iran in those days were no friends of the west and it's human rights were dire, another reason I find it incompatible with Corbyn's persona to be associated with it.

Corbyn may have good points to raise over many aspects of the Middle East but it is his ease over the company he keeps that I find does him no favours. Obviously you and others have no problem in that direction so I guess each to his/her own.

I raised the Iran TV connection in response to the attacks on Owen Smith and his credentials and for the life of me I know which one I prefer, another case of each to his/her own.

durhamjen posts links from the Daily Mail herself on occasion.

That is a very rude post f77ms.

You are wasting you time dgem some of these people are not capable of rational thought hence posting a link from The Daily Fail. I wouldn`t use even it for loo paper .

You'd made your mind up about Corbyn anyway, POGS, long before you trawled about Iran.

I presume you also deplore Jack Straw and Hilary Benn for going to Iran with him.

A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: ‘His involvement with Press TV allowed him to deplore all human rights abuses, which he has consistently raised with Iran, including on a visit to Tehran with Jack Straw in 2015. He also met Iran’s foreign minister with Hilary Benn where once again human rights were raised. Jeremy’s involvement with Press TV ended when changes to the way they were operating meant he could not participate without political interference.’

Trisher/Durhamjen

Sorry! I did not answer your questions to me on Tuesday so this might answer them.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3771732/20k-isn-t-lot-Iranian-TV-appearances-says-Jeremy-Corbyn-defends-talking-channel-banned-broadcasting-UK.html

I believe the same amount was in the first link . Corbyn did the programmes covering for the absence of the usual shows host , George Galloway. The programme was called 'Comment' on the Iran State run Press TV

What people make of what his purpose for being on the programme was and listening to the interviews Corbyn carried out I will leave up to them to assess. I have made my own mind up by watching them, listening to him speak on Russia Today and his dialogue over many years as an MP in the public eye in the UK.

Explains much Ana, well not the personality bit

'Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Donald Trump were the only political "personalities" who "had the desired effect on their audience" the report found.'

Obviously Trump not so much...

Jen, do forget my request for an apology, I expect - it was just a joke !

Here's something else to take our minds off Mandelson.

It wasn't Corbyn who made people vote for Brexit, it was because they didn't trust Cameron.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/08/31/distrust-of-david-cameron-made-public-more-likely-to-vote-brexit-new-study-finds_n_11805180.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

Of course, you don't have to believe the Electoral Reform Society.
Looks like Corbyn was right not to share a platform with Cameron.

I am surprised that Mandelson is being held up as a would-be saviour of the Labour Party. The home that he bought in Notting Hill in 1996 was partly funded by an interest-free loan from Geoffrey Robinson - a millionaire whose business dealings were subject to an inquiry by Mandelson's department. Mandelson did not declare the loan in the Register of Members' interests and resigned in 1998. In 2005 when he was Britain's European Commissioner Mandelson was reported to have spent New Year's Eve on the yacht of the co-founder of Microsoft, which at that time was at the centre of a major EU investigation. Similar allegations of a conflict of interest, involving a Russian oligarch, arose in 2008.

The Evening Standard in 2009 reported:

"No such frosty treatment for Peter [Mandelson] - he was pictured at the weekend at Jacob Rothschild's home ...... The Rothschilds' connections run deep into the veins of the Tory party and Jacob is also a long-standing trusted ally of Rupert Murdoch; "Peter's one of the few Labour people they'd give house room to," says a friend.

On the issue of the make-up of Corbyn's support base, Liam Young reported in The Independent yesterday:

"Jeremy Corbyn looks set to achieve a second landslide victory in the Labour leadership election, according to a YouGov poll released this week.......

".... there are some important statistics that rest behind this prediction of another thumping victory.

".... While Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters have long been labelled as young idealists trapped in a London-centric bubble, the data seems to disprove this.

"Though Corbyn receives the backing of 61 per cent of 18-24 year olds, the Labour leader is more popular with the 40-59 year old age bracket. Corbyn is supported by 63 per cent of voters within this category compared to Smith’s 37 per cent...

".... While these headline figures were somewhat expected, the finer details make for an interesting reading of the current leadership election.

"Corbyn wins every single region and every single age group. The poll shows that he would win across every section of the party electorate, whether it be full members, registered supporters or union affiliates."

Something I use to admire but wild assumptions from Jen are new

You are welcome DJ. I admire your tenacity x.

I will await your response to my request Jen

Thanks, Pollengran.

Just a look in to say, you are not alone DJ. Like many of the electorate, I have given up on a thread like this, but I know where my X is going..

And you said I did not want an elected lords, why say that and why dodge answering Jen? No,i will not give up, you went too far with your attack and it was uncalled for , may I have an apology then it can be forgotten?

Give up, Annie.
You want Mandelson to save you. I don't. He didn't exactly save the Labour party the last time. He and Blair between them lost half the membership. If you're happy with that, that's your problem, not mine.
You asked where he was. I told you where he was.

That's no answer Jen, what did your assumption on my views on an elected lords have to do with me saying where is Mandelson when we need him?

i have not changed my political views ,

The people will elect if there is a second house, as Gordon Brown wants. They will not elect people like Mandelson, because they are no longer relaxed about people being filthy rich.

That's all, just my opinion, no tirade.

You asked where Mandelson was when you needed him. He is in the House of Lords. That's the connection between Mandelson and the House of Lords.

You are sounding less and less socialist these days.

Jen, what did your assumption of my views on an elected lords have to do with Peter Mandelson? I quote - you would have a problem with that Annie, because the people will elect.

What is the connection with Mandelson in the lords and your wild assumption?

No tirade, Annie. I calmly pointed out what Mandelson is doing, as you wanted to know.
If I launch into a tirade, it will be longer than two and a half lines.

Not true Jen, you launched into a tirade sbout the House of Lords and how in your opinion I wouldn't want an elected House of Lords .

You were asking where Mandelson was when you needed him. I was just telling you where he was.
Actually, at the moment, I think he is telling Theresa May that she ought to be wanting to please the Chinese and build Hinkley Point, just across the Severn Estuary from Cardiff.