Traingate

POGS, where have I said that Progress have called for the deselection of MPs?

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/08/29/are-the-tories-abusing-their-power-with-review-of-constituency-boundaries/

This is why the Labour Party are likely to lose the next election.
It's written by the man that Annie described as bonkers.
Doesn't seem bonkers to me.

corbyn will not have to fight to get Galloway back this time , Momentum will do it for him perhaps. Galloway said in an interview he had discussed the train fiasco with Corbyn either the day it happened or the following day

Durhamjen you and a few others have mentioned on threads the fact Owen Smith worked for Pfizer in a way that intimates some kind of underhanded dealings. The fact he has been an employee and therefore receives financial reward I believe has been mentioned also.

What do you think of Corbyn receiving financial reward for working for the Iran State TV called 'PRESS T.V'.

'Presented a call-in programme on Press TV, a propaganda channel of the Iranian government which was banned by Ofcom and which regularly hosts Holocaust deniers;'

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism

An interesting read from the Guardian.

Durhamjen 10.40

'POGS, where have I said Progress have called for the deselection of MP's?'

In your post 09.25 when you made a retort to rosesared post 08.51 regarding the deselection of MP's!

"I bet the decent MP who supports Corbyn and being 'threatened by Progress' wouldn't share share your feeling roses"

So what evidence is there this has happened?

Where does it say he received financial reward? He might have volunteered.
I was surprised to read the criticism of the Stop the War Coalition which I supported when we tried to stop the Iraq invasion, but if you are clutching at straws I suppose you have to throw in everything.
I think the problem with Owen Smith is partly the job he was doing for Pfizer, which included lobbying and overseeing a report on privatisation in the NHS (which he has attempted to distance himself from), and partly the lack of time that has passed since he was working for them.
There are unlikely to be lobbyists working in Parliament for Iran TV, there will certainly be Pfizer lobbyists working there, many of whom will have close social links to Smith.

Does this Progress hold rallies? does it support one MP only?

www.progressonline.org.uk/event/road-to-conference-moderate-meet-up-in-cardiff/

Progress consists of loads of MPs, all of them intent on deselecting Corbyn from his job as leader of their party.
All of them voted to bomb Syria, by the way.
They are holding meetings in various placws all over the country so they can decide what they are going to support at the conference. Not dissimilar to Momentum, I should think.

How many conferences have you been to, Annie?
Prospect has been to lots.

Sorry, Progress, not Prospect.

I've been trying to check out payments from Iran.
He went there as part of the AllParty parliamentary group on Iran, and had his hotel bills paid in October 2014.
Is that what you mean?

Durhamjen

When and where has the Labour Party Progress group said they want Jeremy Corbyn deselected?

They might well have voted No Confidence in Corbyn but so had other Labour MP's and MEP's not in Progress.

You are 'once again' (see my post 11.05) stating Progress are looking to 'deselect' a fellow MP and I don't understand how you can state this. Can you give information .

The leadership vote is to deselect Jeremy Corbyn from his position as the leader of the labour party.
Isn't it?

But not as a M.P, big difference , so not deselection , a deselected MP is out of the house, out of a job , suppose nearest for Corbyn would be demoted

It's to select somebody else in his place; therefore he will be deselected. He stands to lose as much as an MP.

Nope
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I am going on political programs that have mentioned Corbyn and Irans Press t.v since he was nominated in the first leadership contest up to now.

uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-paid-iran-press-tv-tortured-journalist-2016-6

'Corbyn was paid for appearances on Press TV five times between 2009 and 2012, according to his register of interests, available at this online House of Commons database.

A spokesperson for Corbyn told Business Insider, "We don't comment on historical matters."

To be fair I did not go onto the Register of Interest to confirm so I apologise whole heartedly if this is ill informed but it has been submitted by the Guardian also in the following link.if this is misinformation.

Irans Press t.v cover Corbyn stories regularly, have you ever read them?

The point I was trying to make is why is Owens position with Pfizer seen as 'unsavoury' shall I say by some and yet Corbyns history receives no such attention from his followers, in fact almost to the point of denial he could possibly be anything other than saint like.

It becomes increasingly evident from day to day, story to story that to some Corbyn has no flaws.

Durhamjen

The answer is nobody from Progress is asking for the 'deselection' of an MP as you keep stating.

Corbyn had a vote of No Confidence and challenged over his position as Leader, that is not 'deselecting'.

This is a good explanation.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/08/qa-what-deselection-and-what-does-it-mean-labour-mps

There are numerous links to calls by Momentum, Unions etc. calling for the 'deselection' of MP's for the only reason being they do not back Corbyn as Leader. Perfectly good, hard working MP's that have been mentioned on Gransnet are included in their ranks and yet some posters seem happy to 'throw them under the bus' over this issue.

That I find hypocrical but even more ' menacing' and there is a lot of hostility that has surfaced from the start of Corbyn Leadership with such calls from Momentum ,who are not a ginger group within the Labour Party but an outside group who's aim is for Corbyn not Labour the Party. Who can blaim the democratically elected MP's in the Parliamentary Labour Party for standing up for themselves against such threatening behaviour.

No Jen, if he was demoted he would still be an MP with full MP's salary, if he was to be deselected he would be unemployed , and you know this

Missed most of Traingate but I see from an article in the Telegraph today emailed to me by a friend that a vote for JC is really a vote for John McDonnell. It alleges that JC will win but is actually keeping the seat warm for his friend John. It is believed that JC will 'retire' from the leadership before the next election and, as the Conference will have changed the % needed from 15% to 5%, he, or some other hard left candidate, will be on the ballot every time. No doubt all the JC supporters will be equally enthusiastic about JMcD. At least I know Owen will stay the course if he wins and I won't get someone I don't want by default.

No surprise Devo, McDonald tried to stand at the two previous leader elections but couldn't get the support

Owen is everything people dislike in a politician. His past with Pfizer is dodgy-POGS see my 11.28 post if you don't understand why. There is a difference between working full time on a salary of £90,000+ and being paid for a TV appearance. But it is also about the connections and the involvement of Pfizer in the NHS and government.

So before becoming MP in 1983 Corbyn worked for unions, he must have been very busy during the Winter of discontent , that was a horrible time as most here will remember, Rubish piled in the streets, in some parts of the country families couldn't bury their dead

And what of close connections with trots abd communists

As mentioned earlier, trisher

order-order.com/2016/07/22/owen-smith-hires-pfizer-lobbyist-run-campaign/

Any idea what Corbyn was discussing on Iran TV, POGS. Can't find it, other than mention that he did it. He could have been condemning what Iran was doing.

The government is now friendly with Iran and has given it help with nuclear power.
All the time you were talking about the UK was selling arms to Iran. It still is.
Maybe Corbyn was there as a representative of StoptheWar.

trisher, just out of interest what are the only acceptable forms of employment that a prospective Labour MP should be employed in? People do have to earn a living to keep their families and I admire Owen was doing just that outside of the Westminster bubble. At least he has some outside experience and still advocates a NHS free at the point of use. An awful lot of Labour MPs have never done anything else but be included in the bubble. Are you suggesting that he should not have done the job he was being paid for but should have gone behind his company's back? I assume the big Unions never ever lobby for what they want. No undue influence is ever exerted upon any Union funded MP. They are of course always left free to follow their own conscience no matter the issue or effect upon the Union that sponsored them. Or am I being naive and they are as in the pocket of the Union as, supposedly, every other MP who takes the proverbial shilling? I am of the firm belief that once you are elected as an MP you serve all your constituents regardless of their political stance and when a vote comes in a representative Parliament you vote according to the best for all parties in the country and not just the one funding you.

Corbyn and McDonald signed a petition to lift the bsn on the Tamil Tigers, they assassinated President Ghandhi. McDonald also apologised on Q.T. For saying N I needed the ballot, the bullet and the bomb , he supported the IRA and claimed they brought about the peace talks. When he stood fir his first election - he lost - he was sued for libel , he had printed things in his flyers about his opponent , he had to pay fifty five thousands pounds, this was paid by left wing groups.

He angered labour councillors by saying they should be knee capped, he later explained - was a joke, as he does.

I didn't know he was deputy to Ken Livingston