Brexit 3

rose thanks for the well wishes. I am hoping for a better night tonight as I fancy my temperature is back to normal.

I am sorry to admit that was the Cornish coming out in me in my description.

However, it won't happen because with our new found freedom and control well have to give Nissan whatever deal they want in order to keep them here, and it ain't gonna be a cheap one.

I expect they'll get some of that £350 million a week we'll be saving...

though what with promises to keep up the EU funding to farmers and the deprived areas I'm not sure how much change out the £350million there will be left to bribe all those businesses, who are here to take advantage of our EU membership of the single market, to stay here once we've left it and exporting to the EU becomes complex and expensive.

I attach a simple example of what will make exporting to EU more expensive if we're not in the Single Market. And that's before you factor in tariffs.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/its-blackmail-really-nissan-employees-on-the-brexit-compensation-demand

The Nissan employees are right, but they're accusing Nissan of blackmailing the government, not them. They're just the pawns.

If Nissan goes, thousands of jobs will go too. It depends whether the government thinks those jobs are worth protecting. How many Conservative MPs are there around Sunderland?

It's a bit much that the union official is complaining that Nissan didn't make its position clear before the referendum. If it had, it would have been accused of Project Fear.

Exactly! You reap what you sow... never a truer word.

But it did make it's position clear; it's just that some people refused to listen. Also one of the leave leaflets said that Nissan were supporting brexit, which was (another) blatant lie. I can only assume that Nissan unions leaders don't read the same publications that I do. Also Nissan said they were going to take legal action about the leaflets.

I know that I read about Nissans opposition to Brexit, not sure where though.

An interviewee who is an owner of a company that supplies Nissan is quoted as saying

“We have already been decimated with the pits and shipyards closing down. It’s about time the government actually invested. They should have the balls to say to Nissan, ‘Fine, you leave. We’ll buy it and we’ll run it.’ I’d like to see that plant wholly UK-owned. Why can’t they step in and say, ‘Let’s build the best car in the world?’ Why do we have to be held to ransom by these fellas?”

Does anyone, never mind a business owner, really expect the government to call Nissan's bluff, tell them to leave buy it and then build 'the best car in the world'?

Have people taken leave of their senses, or am I missing something? I honestly don't get how some people think

I wonder if that was gillybob or her husband.

Tory governments don't own businesses. Whoever said that hasn't realised that it's a Tory government.

Andrea Leadsom has just said about the department of the environment protecting the population from disease.
She hasn't read the Guardian today, the article about MRSA in pork sold at Sainsbury's.

Oh! Leadsom is still alive then. I wondered when/if she was ever going to begin to earn her salary.

Thanks for the link, dj. I hadn't understood from your post that the workers were accusing Nissan of blackmailing the government. It did seem a bit odd, otherwise.

No government, Tory or Labour, would buy a car plant - it's just not going to happen.

Also, the car models belong to Nissan and sell well - why the hell would they sell the plant and car designs to the British government?

If it hurts their bottom line they will simply move abroad.

It's even odder Maizie that they are accusing Nissan of blackmailing the government!

Maybe someone on GN who lives in that area can explain the thinking.

Lets build the best car in the world

If that is the Brexit mindset them there is no hope for it. I shows an absolute misunderstanding of what manufacturing is all about. The skills built up over decades, the planning, the research. If the Uk could build the best car in the world at a price that millions could afford they would have done it long ago.

They didn't say they supported remain but preferred it if we remained in theEU. But did state that they did not want leave to use their logo; something that leave continued to do even after being told not to. The article I read was in the Independent.

Not possible to explain the thinking any more than Sunderland voting for Brexit.
Bravado?
No foreigners are going to tell us what to do?

Doesn't surprise me that Cameron was one of the signatories. He pulled out all the stops to try and convince us that it was better if we stayed in. Lie upon lie and the same for Osborne. They knew that what they were saying was a fabrication to frighten people in to voting NO. Well it didn't work thank God so now we await Mrs May's decision on when she will bring us out. She is saying it will be before March at the moment. Well it took a woman with common sense didn't it. At least we got our country back from the brink.

Well this week is so far rapidly becoming a damp squib at the Tory conference.

After noting the bleeding obvious that the EU Act will be repealed and that A50 will be invoked in March we don't seem any further foreward, except that it is more likely to be a hard Brexit than soft. But March is my view very ambitious, particularly as May tends to be somewhat indecisive. May seems keener to stop immigration than access to the single market, which seems to be putting the cart before the horse.

Hammond is clearly worried about losing the single market and is very worried about the Service sector. He is up against that hard man Fox, who gave a tearful speech st Birmingham (idiot)

Good to hear that at last the Tories are beginning to understand economics and Hammond is intending to borrow to invest. Although some of the so called big announcements have already been announced as it were.
Osborne and Cameron obvious by their absence.

The markets aren't keen and the £ sterling is beginning to fall again.

When we leave the EU, will we get our utilities back?
German, French and Dutch governments own some of our water, railways, gas, electricity.

Somehow, I don't think so. Now we are totally dependent on them for a large part of our energy - they have us (literally) over a barrel and there is nought we can do!

Got all the cards spring to mind

EU visitors often complain about the state and the costs of our railways.
Abellio is wholly owned by the Dutch government. They own Scotrail, Merseyrail, East Anglia and Northern Rail among others. Arriva is owned by Deutsche Bahn.
However, I can't imagine the Tories bringing them back into public ownership.

weownit.org.uk/privatisation-problems/privatising-network-rail-%C2%A310-billion-ticket-disaster

A bailout would not be allowed under EU rules - and we are still in the EU

Remember when Harold Wilson bailed out BL with 2.4 billion £ of taxpayers' money?
or perhaps you are too young Riverwalk

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4294709.stm

A link!

But that was British Leyland. Nissan is a Japanese company.
They export more cars to the EU than anywhere else. If they have to pay tariffs, they may as well move to the EU.