Brexit 3

Of course I am notroses !!!! I have children and grandchildren for whom I wish onwards and upwards in their lives. I would be the first to admit my gloominess was wrong and misjudged and would do so with a glad heart.

I was a Remainer and I'm expecting things to go badly, although you're wrong that I'm hoping it will. The optimist in me hopes things will go well, but I'm not seeing any indication that they will. Rather than Chicken Littles in the Remain camp, I see a load of headless chickens in the Leave camp.

Ana that's fine, I could do with being a bit flatter!
Thinking is very well Mamie and is a start. Attitude is everything.I know plenty of Leave voters who work btw.
You cannot know that a so called hard Brexit will hurt the economy, or even, at this stage, what will happen.

ww I'm glad to hear it.

No, we can't know for sure, but it is foolish in the extreme not to consider the likely scenarios.

Well I can see which way it is heading roses.
Of course there are leavers who work - I said statistically.

jalima, I was waiting for the question as to whether Labour could have handled this better. Truth is, I don't know if they could, any more than I know if the Lib Dems, the Greens, SNP, UKIP or even the Monster Loony Raving Party could. Why don't I know this? Because they're not in government. The Tories ARE, and they ARE making a mess. I do know that: David Cameron led us into a needless referendum to appease some vociferous members of his party; said he would remain as PM no matter what and then didn't; said he would remain as the MP for Witney (my constituency) then didn't; the 3+1 appear to be ignoring everyone in their line on Brexit; the pound is tanking. That's what I know. I get heartily sick of the 'Well, it would be even worse if the other lot were in charge' argument, because it is based on an unknown.

My feeling is that things would be worse if Corbyn was in charge ( of anything!) So the Tories are the best bet for arranging Brexit.
Cameron should have stayed in power? Hmmn, a bit doubtful about the outcome of that , think May will be a better bet, since she was lukewarm about staying in the EU.
I see there are 14 candidates for Witney ( some really bizarre.)

How can you possibly say that the government is making a mess of brexit? Mrs May and the present team have only been in power for about three months! and part of that has been during the summer recess!!! Yes, DC did take us into an unnecessary referendum, and along with the former chancellor behaved arrogantly and foolishly; created a crisis by his idiotic faffing and left the rest of us to it! What a coward! We in the conservative party (and the country) are well rid of both of them, as no doubt Witney is too. Mrs May (thank God for her) and her team will do the very best they can for this country, but do give them a bit longer than three months to achieve this extremely complex situation!!!

Do you truly think that the other EU countries will just say 'OK then, you can have your cake and eat it - and we will continue to abide by the rules and take all the immigrants you don't want - and without any tariffs? Really?

Yes, roses, there are some bizarre candidates . Interestingly, none of them showed up to the hustings last night (including the UKIP candidate - apparently, that party didn't even bother to respond to the invitation - you should see the size of their domestic campaign posters, twice the size of anyone else's!)

Well, you know what they say....it's not all about SIZE. Haha.

No of course not, but neither do I believe that they'll all be deliberately obstructive and refuse to cooperate in any way.

Not all countries are as vengeful as those at the top of the EU chain. In fact, some may wish to set a precedent that would enable their own country to break free of the EU in the future.

Is it true that UKIP has selected somebody called Dickie Bird as their candidate for Witney?

I had to check it wasn't a spoof, as in 'He said not a dickie bird'.

Wasn't he a well-known cricket umpire? Perhaps before your time, daphnedill...

And I agree with you roses (that might be a first) that Cameron needed to resign as PM, but it just shows the mark of the man that he was adamant before the referendum that he would stay matter what the outcome. It's not so clear cut as to whether he should have stayed as an MP (although many of us here are glad to see the back of him), but again, it didn't take long for him to go back on his word. I said to a friend that he wouldn't be around for long - she disagreed since he had said he would stay till the GE in 2020. I was proved right the very next week - not crowing about that, by the way. It's not edifying to have one's scepticism about politicians proved correct.

Yes, roses, it's what you do with it that counts - and we all knew what UKIP dies with it!

Does, even. Bloody phone keyboard.

It's not at all about being 'vengeful' - but the other EU countries will not agree to a deal which will heavily penalise them and favour the UK- why should they? Already the UK had managed to secure special arrangements, like not joining the Euro which was supposed to be part of being in the Union.

Imagine a divorce - where one partner decides to leave and break up- then expects the other party to take all the losses?
I want to leave you, but I want the house, the CDs, the furniture, the car and you can have the lawn-mower and the small tv from the bedroom. Oh, but I want half your pension and the kids to myself.

Yes, I knew what you meant, granjura. I stand by what I said.

@Ana

This one's a former soldier and Oxford College porter.

www.ukip.org/ukip_select_oxfordshire_man_dickie_bird_as_witney_candidate

But what on earth makes you assume that the UK will make such unreasonable demands anyway? Surely the idea is to 'leave' the EU not remain tied to it indefinitely.

Dickie Bird, cricket umpire, died several years ago anyway!

daphne, Dickie Bird is the UKIP candidate. Former Oxford college porter, and former soldier. Although there was a Dickie Bird who was a cricket umpire as well.

No, we do not have to make agreements as shown by the countries we trade with around the world without specific ones. But agreements are useful in establishing two way trade that does not work against us.