Brexit 3

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It seems Unilever are putting up their prices by 10%. Tesco announced that they are pulling certain items they produce. I only wish I had had the foresight to stockpile some Pot Noodles

Confusion reigns!

Yesterday was marred by so many mixed messages that if the government was a swing door it would have been a total comedy.

First we had the continued fallout from Rudd's statement about the immigrant lists. May was asked if she could clarify the situation. Her reply went along the lines that really what Rudd had meant was the complete opposite to what was said, and quite honestly it ought all to be taken with a pinch of salt as it was just an idea that they'd thought up over afternoon tea, and in any case we are consulting. It was unclear with whom they are consulting as parliament does not seem to be flavour of the month at present.

May also made it clear that parliament would not be consulted (for the umpteenth time) over the Brexit negotiations. There will be no vote she insisted. Meanwhile one of her party faithful George Eustice had told the country via the radio that there would be a green paper put forward for a parliamentary debate on Brexit. Green papers mean votes! What do green papers mean? Votes!!!!

Later Amigo 1 was insisting that taking back control did not mean that he should be taken to account over Brexit. Oh! No! That isn't what Brexit meant at all. He has a Mandate, the biggest mandate ever in the whole wide world! The trouble is that the Labour Party, the Libs, the SNP, and Soubry, Miller, Morgan, Clarke, Perry, Grieve, Philip and Burt to name just a few from the Tory party all disagree with him. This put him in a very bad mood, clearly no one understands that when he took back control he wasn't going to share it with anyone, so you can all put that in your pipe and smoke it.

On a darker note, I an sorry to read that the nasty element in Brexit who felt free to attack both physically and verbally those who have come here to work from the EU have now turned their attention on the lawyers and those they represent who argue that parliament and not government should invoke article 50. There have been death threats levelled at law firms, and in one particular case their systems were forced to crash. The identities of some of the claimants will be withheld in order to protect them.

The case begins today.

The beginning of the predicted outcome is just around the corner with prices set to rise before Christmas. People in the lower income bracket will be least able to absorb them, and together with a freeze on benefits there will be real hardship as the months unfold.

Ah but as Michael Gove said "we have had enough of experts" even when they are right.

I would yggdrasil, but it's getting to the stage when it's really not funny

Any more heads in the sand? Brexit IS leading to bad things, even if that wasn't what those who voted to Leave thought would happen, or what they want to happen how. It's just the facts, though, so probably lots of people will ignore them/put their own spin on them.

I'm not bothered about Marmite (Yuk!) or Pot Noodles, but I must stock up on PG Tips - apparently half-price in Asda today (box of 240).

I heard last night (it could have been on BBC) that, as some of the items are manufactured in the UK, Unilever are trying it on.
The fact that the ingredients of Marmite, one of the products at the centre of a price row between Tesco and Unilever, are manufactured in the UK calls into question why the drop in the pound should cause a hike in its price, but its brand power gives the supplier strength in the argument.

From The Guardian.

The pound has, of course, been over-valued for quite a long time and food prices are relatively cheap in the UK due in part to such as Tesco screwing the farmers - do they do this with all their suppliers? If so, if Tesco thinks it can take on Unilever it could have a fight on its hands, or lose business.

Tesco of course has only recently just started to turn things around and winning its customers back. This is simply a customer PR job. Prices will rise, nothing Tesco does will stop it.

Sounds as if we may pull out of the Erasmus scheme....the younger generation will blame/loathe us. And I don't blame them.

...oh, please feel free to find that amusing some of you.....I'm sure you'll see the funny side of it....

Good grief why!!! It doesn't just cover the EU how shortsighted.

So many comments from Brexiters today re Tesco- saying they shop at Lidl and Aldi how patriotic!

The Erasmus scheme is also threatened in Switzerland, as the Swiss have voted for limitations to the free movement of people within EU and SWitzerland- in contradiction with its recoprocal agreements. And so are 1000s on international research projects based at Swiss Unis and businesses.

If I move from Berkshire to Lancashire - is that OK - if I take up a job, school, or college place that could be taken by locals first - would that be a problem?

Not sure I understand the difference in human terms between people moving across county boundaries for work, education, etc., or moving across other political boundaries, between countries for the same thing.

The older you get the less you know.

@whitewave

Erasmus does just cover Europe. It's funded by the EU and supports students, lecturers and educational projects within the EU (and Switzerland/Norway?)

Of course, many universities have reciprocal arrangements with non-EU institutions, but these aren't EU-funded. The universities pay any costs from their own budgets.

The UK government could choose to replace the Erasmus funding which universities will lose - they can join the queue along with the NHS, farmers, regeneration zones, the fishing industry and all the rest of them.

Thanks for that I knew it included universities from other countries outside of the EU.

I was Clearly muddled on the funding

Perhaps a few of us think that leaving the EU and putting our own sovereignty at the forefront of everything is worth the price of Marmite and other things going up!
No head in the sand here, food prices could well increase, and petrol has gone up ( because it's bought in dollars) but we are just at the start of something big, being in control ( much sneered at words) of our own destiny as a country, and it will take a while to get trade deals etc but we will eventually be able to be a better country, out of the inevitable slide into chaos that staying in the EU would have brought us.

Tell that to a struggling family

@ww

I only know because my daughter was an Erasmus student. She would actually have preferred to spend time in the US or Canada, but she wouldn't have received the same funding that she did from Erasmus and couldn't have afforded North America.

Especially those who voted OUT because they believed all the lies they were fed. Listen to this man- who is now saying he got it all wrong and regrets it. How many are they, I wonder- and how many more will join him, as prices go up and up and jobs are lost:

www.lbc.co.uk/…/repentant-leave-brexit-voter-chokes…/

Not everything is about money, struggling families or no!
We were a struggling family years ago ( a lot of us were) but food hikes in prices were the norm, and we had cheap camping holidays ( or none) and didn't waste our cash on McD fast food, and other non essential items. Financial markets hate instability so things could be shaky for a bit, but once article 50 has been invoked and the government, and Parliament, have agreed what route we shall take, things should settle down.Again, IMHO and in millions more, whatever it takes for the UK to look after it's own affairs will be worth it.

In control of what, roses? Are you really surprised people sneer? They mean absolutely nothing.

Why do you assume that staying in the EU would be a slide into chaos?

That post has so many jingoistic flaws I don't even know where to start.