Oh my dear God. Those children in Allepo!

Jalima I didn't mean ignore the horrible situation. Several posts appeared between mine and the subject of that statement
Anya sorry
iswymn

jingls if even world powers can't sort it out what hope have we got.
He will go down in history as another psychopathic mass murderer. Throughout the ages they appear with dreadful regularity. However, if he is the one to defeat IS what do we do?
Sorry, obieone if there is a God he isn't doing much about them all.
[despair]

dj I could explain until the cows come home what is wrong with the tone of your posts, putting them all together and noting how they repeat the same line that your superior advice is being ignored in favour of just saying how sad it is, but it would all flow off like water from a duck's back, because you have undentable confidence that you know what is best and that you are doing it, but that others either don't know or can't be arsed.

Your favourite and baseline stance is outraged anger, directed in random directions and spraying other posters with the shrapnel of your disgust.

There are ways and ways of suggesting extra methods of expressing horror at the news. Your way is not necessarily everyone's way. It is also possible that people are doing all the things you say and more but have not mentioned it. Why should they? So that they can compete with you on the activist front?

jings Infants and activists. Nothing in between.

It's September.
If Trump becomes President in November I wonder what will happen?

He has very strong links with Russia (believe it or not).

Yes, I have outraged anger at the way this country supports the sales of arms to the Middle East. What's wrong with that?
Yemen never gets mentioned but there are at least six children a day being killed by Saudi Arabia dropping cluster bombs made in the UK from planes bought from the UK.
Over 100,000 people killed.

I think those people deserve consideration.
There is something we can do about it, by showing our outrage and ensuring the government stop giving arms companies the right to sell to Saudi. We sell chemical weapons to Saddam as well.
I am outraged by that , too.
Are you, Elegran?
Do you want to try to do anything about it, or are you satisfied at just attacking me?
What for?
For feeling justifiable outrage and anger at what's happening and at the British people's inability to do anything about it?
What's wrong with signing petitions and going on demos to try and stop this obscenity?

Sorry, meant Assad, not Saddam.

Unbelievable. Your lack of self-awareness is stunning, durhamjen.

Trumps latest, in today's i, is that, after calling Hilary Clinton a warmonger, he will expand all areas of the US military and make it so big, so strong, so powerful, that absolutely nobody will mess with them.
He will give military leaders 30 days to formulate proposals to defeat Isis. Not sure what he thinks they have been doing up to now.

I am as self-aware as the next person. I can also string a few coherent sentences together, instead of just attacking the same person all the time.

Sorry, I hadn't realised that being told off multiple times meant I had to go away crying and say nothing else.

Can you tell me, Ana, what you think about the sale of bombs and planes to middle eastern tyrants?

Nothing wrong at all with any of your suggestions, dj, nor did anyone say there was. Plenty wrong with blaming individual posters and being completely blind to the fact that you are doing it.

Yes, lack of self-awareness is at the root of it.

Who did I blame?

Perhaps that should be lack of awareness of anyone else. Posters on here may be lucky enough to be free of the terrible things that are happening elsewhere, but they are still sentient human beings. They are not just fodder for your own lobbying.

Who did I blame?

Elegran ' spraying other posters with the shrapnel of your disgust'....that must be the best sentence I have ever read! I must remember to try and use it in conversation in RL ( just changing the word posters.)

If Trump becomes the next President, perhaps he can a few words with Putin as regards propping up Assad.He seems to like Putin ( may be the only one who does.)

Everyone who hadn't sweated blood to get arms sales banned - or I should say, who had not been seen by you to have sweated blood. Blamed obliquely, of course.

You are wrong if you think that I am always attacking you. I think your opinions have validity, your concerns are usually justified, your dedication to righting wrongs is admirable. But I don't think you are aware that your burning drive to put right everything that you have concerns about can scorch anyone who comes into contact with you. Gransnet is not a debating society, or a gladiatorial arena for epic contests. It is mostly a chat-over-the-garden-gate. Countless posters have said that they don't venture any more onto political threads because their fingers have been burnt. That is not good - people should be able to risk a tentative post or two.

Sorry, I'd better just leave gransnet then as the only threads I go on are to do with politics, and I upset everyone, according to you.

I can't believe that you think the politics threads are just like chats over the garden gate.
There's a chat forum for that.
I am not going to apologise for taking politics more seriously than that.
Since when did you elect yourself to be the arbiter of GN?

You post on quite a few threads other than the political ones, as well you know. What was the point of saying you don't?

Are we not allowed to post on a political thread if we wish to chat and pass an opinion without being a well informed expert ?
Perhaps the OP should indicate what level of expertise is required.

I started a thread about the Arms Trade. You were around at the time dj, but you didnt post on it.
Perhaps you dont actually have alternatives to the problem?

Like everyone else I think what is happening is beyond appalling but am at a loss when it comes to stopping it. We have already removed Saddam and Ghadafi and look how well that ended! Intervention just seems to make things worse and more people die.

Appalling though the situation is the last thing I think we should do is send our armed forces in to fight a war we can't win, for people who are unlikely to want us there.

Our armed forces are no longer the endless , mighty , well equipped fighting force they were . It will just be sending more people to their death.

I think, Wobblybits that we have to be a member of an established political party and that woolly minded floating voters like myself (or rather, as I like to think, discerning voters with an open mind) should steer clear of political threads.

As for Syria, in particular Aleppo, if powerful nations and the United Nations cannot sort this out, no amount of pleading, petitions etc by ordinary people can do so.

There are brave souls venturing into these places to help.
Someone I know is still trying to send aid into Idlib which is subject to air raids. Bombing bakeries and food sources was happening constantly (starving his people into submission) but now use of chemical weapons takes it to a new level of atrocity.
Who supplied the chemical weapons? Germany could have and other countries could have supplied the components to enable the Syrian regime to make them.
sorry, it's a link
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-companies-suspected-of-aiding-syrian-chemical-weapons-program-a-1014722.html