LibDems win Council seat in Sheffield

He didn't, Annie. I think somebody needs to grow up, but it's not Corbyn.

Who did make the list? Who released it?

The LibDems have just won another by-election:

Tupton (North East Derbyshire) result:
LDEM: 38.3% (+38.3)
LAB: 34.7% (-32.4)
CON: 17.5% (-15.4)
UKIP: 8.9% (+8.9)
BPP: 0.7% (+0.7)

I really believe they will make gains when we have a general election, all we hear is labour has increased it's membership but the Corbyn devotees do not think who the voters who are not party members will vote, deselect good labour MP's, replace them with militants and end of the Labour Party

Labour won byelections in Blakelaw, Newcastle, and Castle ward, Carlisle.
They have also won the Mayor of Hackney, with 69% of the vote.

Are you pleased about that, Annie?

In September Jen ? I am always pleased with a Labour win, but not if momentum have been pulling the strings

I remember when Derek Hatton was leader of Liverpool council so if a labour win means a militant has won, no I am not pleased , it's a nail in the coffin for the lsbour party

Jen, you just don't get it do you? I fear the militants taking over, you do not

ab. Forgive the interference, but perhaps dj IS a militant? I'm sure that thought has occurred to you so I'm probably jumping the gun, but just thought I'd mention it!

I am aware of that niggle , Jen and I are a very good example of the problems in the Labour Party . I am to the left but accept we have to win votes from the centre , Jen is content to stick to the far left and support Corbyn and MacDonald before the party .

The Labour Party has never tried to get shot of a leader untill Corbyn and this because the labour MP's who cannot support him know the damage the party moving to the far left will do. Plus he is not a strong leader .

nigglynellie Having identified yourself previously as a Conservative supporter and voter, it is to be expected that you will try to paint people who support a return to socialist values as "militants". Given that the definition of "militant" is "aggressive, violent, belligerent, bellicose, combative, etc. etc.", I think it is beyond fair comment to suggest that durhamjen fits this description.

Well, perhaps not all of them...

I disagree Eleothan, not all militants fit your definition . Socialist values have not changed , what use to the vunerable are a far left oposition party stuck on the oposition benches for years. I have never lost my socialist values but I know the country will not vote for a fsr left government. For me a far left party who cannot gain power promising two million social houses and a centre party winning and building one million is something I know I have to accept . Labour moved to the far left in 1983 and this was followed by fourteen years without a voice. Then the party moved towards the centre and won three general elections . And I cannot forget those years in the eighties when Corbyn was leading a campaign to bring trots back into the party and yet he goes on and on about all the MP's getting behind him. Do I I say not as I do

You keep saying you are "to the left" whereas other people, durhamjen included, are "to the far left". I know on previous occasions when you have been asked, you were unwilling to define the difference between these two definitions, but if you wish to make such distinctions I think you should be prepared to explain what you mean.

It is a fine thing, isn't it, when the Anyone but Corbyn group celebrates a Labour loss - particularly when the candidate who lost was known to be be anti-Corbyn. Even Gail Smith, who won the seat for the Lib Dems, was reported on the Sheffield Star website as saying:

“My Lib Dems team and I have spent the last 10 weeks working seven days a week in Mosborough, knocking on just about every door, and I can tell you Jeremy Corbyn was more popular than Angela Smith [an anti-Corbyn MP] wants to admit. I certainly do not agree that [Corbyn's unpopularity] is why I won. Most people told us that they never saw Labour, only at election time and they felt taken for granted...... Corbyn is not as unpopular as they would like you to think. They need to look very closely at their own leadership in Sheffield.”

I'm not painting anyone one way or another, why on earth would I. What the Labour party is or isn't, what its members are or are not is of no particular interest to me, I merely asked ab if, as dj seems so defensive of all things pertaining to JC, whether in fact she might be a disciple? A perfectly civil genuine question. ab (it was to her I was talking) replied with a perfectly civil informative answer.

Thank you niggle, I think your question was civil and I understood why you asked. In my opinion anyone who can find excuses for the faults of Corbyn such as the train without empty seats or the list attacking MP's in his own party is a supporter of the far left . I could not support the likes of George Galloway or McDonald or Peter Taffe , close friends of Corbyn .i believe Jen holds the same socialist values as I do, difference is I cannot support the jam tomorrow campaign when people are hungry today

Eleothan, think about it do, the lib dem candidate was speaking about her oposition , it's what candidates do , knock their opponents

Thank you too ab. I understand your comments perfectly, and I do have a sympathy with your views; Just a more Theresa May approach, and there unfortunately I think we would have to differ, but hopefully amicably.

Niggly, I think you meant forgive the inference, although interference would probably do just as well.

Annie knows I am not a militant. She knows I am not a member of momentum.
She just likes to pretend I am a member of the far left trotsky grouping as it suits her.
This time last year she was saying she was glad that Corbyn was elected, and he was elected by her as much as anyone else.

How can militant or momentum win?
How many members do they have?
I read today that the labour party are trying to expel momentum members.
Not quite sure how they can do that, as momentum aren't a party.
If they expel many more there will be nobody but you and your friends to vote.

When I said these people had been voted in, it was in Thursday byelections, the same day that daphne thought fit to report that Labour had lost the Tupton by election.
The only ones deemed worth reporting about were the ones which Labour lost. I am surprised you are so gullible and easily taken in by the papers.

No Jen, I do not know you are not militant, I think you have developed into a militant because of your belief in Corbyn, I have always said I supported Corbyn and I voted for him, when I learned more about him I withdrew my support. He campaigned to get militants back into the party after the harm they did . He did let the party down during the Brexit campaign,even went on holiday during that period. he did lie about the train seats , he did sit quietly whilst a member of momentum heckled a labour MP and after the meeting was seen jollying up to the heckler . I do believe he released the list , I do believe he is putting his eighties politics before the party.

I don't think the young who join momentum but anyone who was involved with the party in the eighties either cannot support him because of his militant beliefs or can support him but they are not concerned with the dangers of militants .

I understand you feel I hsve let you down but would you keep up a pretence ? I think not

Thank you for pointing out my error dj but I think you must've realised that it was a slip of my Kindles keyboard and my failure to read through my post thoroughly. However, I stand corrected!!!!

Annie, sorry, but I do not feel you have let me down. You have let yourself down.
I thought you said you didn't label people but you are quite happy to say that anyone who supports Corbyn after you have decided that he is not worth supporting is a militant.
He is not a militant. It has been closely researched and nobody can find any evidence to support the theory.
He did not lie about the train seats. The photo that showed him going through an empty carriage with no reserved seats was the dining carriage. Branson forgot about that, but it's on the website. However, you believe everything you hear against him, and do not even look at any opposing evidence, because you might not like what you see, and you might have to change your views, which you repeat over and over again on GN at every opportunity you cabn get.
He didn't let the party down during Brexit. He gave more speeches than any other remainer apart from Cameron. May was nowhere to be seen, but she isn't attacked by her party.
It's you who is letting the party down by going against the leader chosen by the majority.

Niggly, I think you are UKIP.

'Today McDonnell, chair of the Jeremy for Labour campaign, described his frustration at the distribution of the dossier which he said was designed to respond to attacks from anti-Corbyn MPs.

“That release came from the campaign, it didn’t come from Jeremy. We have apologised, it was just inappropriate,” he said in comments reported by the BBC.

“One of our researchers saw a bit of incoming flak and then did a list of all the statements that have been made by other MPs, some of which were not particularly kind… it was a briefing note, it shouldn’t have gone out and we apologised for that.

“It certainly wasn’t a list in any way to attack anyone, it was just a factual report.” '

About the list. I am sure you will not believe it. I am sure you must have already read this.

It's actually a list of what labour MPs have said about other MPs, all in the public domain.

Why?!!! I can assure you, if it's any of your business, that I am firmly behind Theresa May and her government, as are all members of my family. An excellent, unexpected bonus of Brexit.

Yes I know what was alleged the named MP's said, do I believe McDonald? No, why didn't Corbyn say it had been an error, he defended it . You trust McDonald I do not.

Why on earth was the list made ? McDonald as usual did his Uriah Heep act , do you think the thugs who have threatened MP's will ignore this list? No doubt you do.

What baffles me is how an intelligent woman who claims to have been a labour supporter for years can keep making the weakest excuses for Corbyn .

Was he right to lead the campaign to bring the militants back into the party?

Was he right to take a holiday during the Brexit campaign ?

Is he right to complain MP's are not supporting him considering he failed to support four party leaders ?

Niggly, if you and Annie can suggest I'm a militant, I can suggest that you are a Ukipper. Certainly lots of your posts come across as being far to the right of Theresa May.
She wanted to remain, or have you forgotten.

Aren't you someone who thinks May is not moving fast enough to get us out of the EU?