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Jen, if he is not militant why did he campaign to bring militants back into the party? If I had kept up a pretence that I supported him I would have let myself down.

You believe he can win a general election? no way can he.

I do not trust McDonald.
I trust McDonnell.
You really should stop being quite so childish about his name, then people might start taking you seriously again.

Corbyn said it had been an error, but he said that all it was was a list of comments people had said. Is that not what it was?
Do you know any differently?
Do you know better than Corbyn and McDonnell what was in the list?
The reason McDonnell was quoted more is because he was on QT last night.
They were both at a meeting today and both said the same.

Do you agree with Owen Smith's talk of calling momentum parasites, feeding on the labour party and then throwing away a dead husk?
Do you think that's an acceptable thing for the possible next leader of the country to say?
If anyone was going to change their minds, they won't now.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/16/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-david-cameron-libya-labour

This is what I believe in, Annie.

You my call me childish Jen, but this attack just shows how you have changed as a poster to be respected and opinions valued , sadly you get more aggressive with every criticism made of Corbyn?

My views on what Owen said will be giving willingly when you answer the question - if Corbyn is not militant ehy dud he lead a campaign to get militants bsck into the party? The likes of Derek Hatton,

I didn't suggest that you were a militant dj, I just asked, as you seemed so defensive of any criticism of JC and his ilk, if ab thought you might be, I don't know or care one way or the other! I haven't defended Nigel Farage, in fact I've not mentioned UKIP, or any of its members or policies, so why would you think that I would be a supporter? No, I have not suggested that TM should be moving more quickly over Brexit; in fact my view has always been that she should move on that as and when she sees fit, to do differently could risk plans being hurriedly thought out and detrimental to future negotiations. I think you'll find that TM was a reluctant remainer, maybe out of loyalty, maybe out of conviction. I don't actually know that.

Durhamjen

Did you watch the Last t.v Husting on Sky where this 'other' list was brought up by Owen Smith and therefore saw Corbyn's response ? I know I have posted this before but here goes.

McDonnell , Corbyn and co seem to have a collective mental block/selective amnesia as this type of scenario has happened on occasions before.

Who doesn't remember only last March there was another 'leaked by, not our fault we had nothing to do with it guv' list of 'hostile to Corbyn ' MP's where they were ranked from Core to Hostile.

March 2016
A spokesperson for Corbyn denied responsibility for the list, telling The Times: “It doesn’t come from this office and we have no knowledge of it”.

labourlist.org/2016/03/leaked-list-ranks-labour-mps-by-hostility-to-corbyn/

I watched Labour MP Neil Coyle today being interviewed and he was quite rightly annoyed. He , like many other Labour MP's have been challenging this type of thing for months but if you look at the original list he was only 'Core Group Negative' back then so he has moved up to presumably 'Hostile' now.

Given the content of both lists why do you think they were was compiled? What possible use would they be intended for?

Yes, you only respect and value posters who agree with you, Annie. I can live with losing your respect if you think that Smith is the answer.

He thinks that Momentum and Militant are the same because they both begin with a big M.
He'll make a really good leader, so incisive.

I have said that I am not a member of MIlitant or Momentum, but nobody believes me, so why should I believe you about UKIP.
Annie thinks that anyone who supports Corbyn must be a trot or a militant. She cannot see beyond that. Why did you ask her, and not me? I think I am the one who knows, not her.
Of course I am defensive, just as you are if I suggest you might be Ukip.

Don't have Sky, POGS. Don't watch Sky. It's owned by someone who doesn't pay his taxes.

Jen, in future I suggest you talk to the grown ups here.

Regards Smith, how msny times do I hsve to repeat my vote for Smith was an anti Corbyn vote. Smith will be out if the house soon, Momentum has descended on Pontypridd .

Trot along and talk to the grown ups , if I am not posting at the time of the next election I will say now- told you so

Niggly, if you really want to know why I support Corbyn and McDonnell, read this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/16/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-david-cameron-libya-labour

These are my views exactly. I am glad somebody else thinks this. Lots of labour party members think the same. That's why he has so much support, including mine.

It doesn't make me a militant.

Jrn, just read your last post again, you need to take a break from threads on labour politics

Funny I thought we have spoken of things aired on Sky News/Aljazeera before Durhamjen, they are both on free view. I don't pay for a package.

If you haven't watched how the story unfurled during the Husting, as it happened, then I suppose your understanding of why it is being said Corbyn defended the list at the time could not be questioned. In other words no time to come up with the usual John McDonnell excuses 'not me/us guv'.

Why do you think' both ' lists were compiled about their own MP's and what intention were they to be used for given there content material, e.g hostile to Corbyn.

dj, I neither know nor care who you support or why. At the risk of repeating myself, I begged the question of ab bearing in mind your almost fanatical defense of JC etc. I simply wanted her view, bearing in mind you are both socialists with presumably the same outlook on politics. I don't care one jot if you think I belong to UKIP, as I've said, I never mention them never mind defend them, but you are at liberty to think what you like, it honestly doesn't bother me. Why should it?!

Niggly, in future, ask Annie in a pm, so I don't think you are actually asking about me. Then I won't be arsed to answer it for myself.
Okay?
Her view is not the truth.

I thought you a Tory supporter niggle , given the disagreements we have had

At least McDonald didn't say this time - it was a joke . Some on that list are already being threatened

What are you on about POGS? I thought there was only one list. Where did the other one come from?
Just shows, I'm not up to date, because I don't watch Sky.

I don't read the Times, either, by the way, or the Telegraph apart from the two articles I am allowed to look at before the paywall comes down, and that's usually only because I've been directed to them from an email.

The subject of the list during last nights hustings was shown on other channels too

I am ab, I've never made any secret of it equally I've never particularly advertised it. I am, however much more Theresa May than David Cameron, I worked for years for Care in the Community mainly in the public sector, occasionally in the private concentrating on the elderly, a job I loved and over the years hopefully made a difference. I do have a social conscience!
You're right dj, however, methinks you do protest too much!! (not an accurate quote before you tell me!)

Durhamjen

"What are you on about POGS? I thought there was only one list. Where did the other one come from?
Just shows, I'm not up to date, because I don't watch Sky."

Nothing to do with Sky and you obviously don't read other peoples posts or you would note there have been two 'lists' compiled as explained .

labourlist.org/2016/03/leaked-list-ranks-labour-mps-by-hostility-to-corbyn/

"A spokesperson for Corbyn denied responsibility for the list, telling The Times: “It doesn’t come from this office and we have no knowledge of it”. Hmm 6 months later still the same excuse and the same 'smile' from McDonnell.

It was spoken of for ages at the time in the media, on t.v, by Labour MP's , even on Gransnet if I remember correctly.

It is interesting to see the list of MP's in the 'Core Group Negative' and ' Hostile ' , have a peep there are some that have received much praise by Gransnetters over the years, Before Corbyn that is.

Not that list, POGS.
That's rather old. That's pre Brexit, therefore pre the labour election.
Didn't realise you were bringing that up again. You should have said.

The latest list is a list of comments that various MPs have made, all in the public domain.
That's also on Labourlist, by the way, with the explanations, which I have read.
The difference is that some people will never believe Corbyn whatever he says. Personally, I can't see where the hatred of McDonnell comes from either. So there's no point in trying to explain what I think about this latest list, apart from the fact that it came out at a very opportune time for Smith. Why would McDonnell or Corbyn leak a list that was going to harm them, when they had just been talking about uniting the party?

Can you tell me what you think of Smith likening Momentum supporters to parasites who will eat the labour party from the inside out and leave the husk?
Can you explain how he hopes to get any more votes by saying that?

Do you agree with Corbyn leading a campaign ti bring militants bsck into the party Jen? Would anyone campaign to bring back members unless they supported them?

Which Militant members, Annie?
What are you frightened of?
At its height, when MI5 were looking into Militant, there were 2000 members, and most of them were in Liverpool.
Nobody can be a member of Militant and a member of the Labour Party.
You can't say that nobody can be a member of the Labour Party if they have ever been a member of Militant.
It's like saying nobody can be a member of the Labour party if they've ever been a Tory or a member of ukip.
Don't you want more members?
Don't you want a thriving Labour party?
I haven't met a Militant or a member of Momentum in my local party. How many have you got in yours?

You appear to missing the point on a couple of threads durhamjen.

What has Brexit got to do with it? ? ?

I think you understand perfectly well actually.

As for Smith and his remarks about Momentum members he is doing the Cardinal Sin of 'generalising'.

The same as people who think all Tories are b----ds .

The same as people who think the Parliamentary Labour Party are all traitors if they have no confidence in Corbyn.

The same as people who call their fellow MP's 'F---ing Useless'

I believe there are Momentum Members who are parasites to be honest but also a lot who genuinely think they are seeing a new era of politics , whilst others only see 'Back To The Future'. In other words a mixed bag and yet neither Corbyn nor Smith appear to be able to speak to all members and more to the point to those not members but have been loyal to the Labour Party by voting for Labour at election time.