Jeremy and the future

Yes, it COUlD have happened under a Conservative government too, but as it happened, it was Labour, so we shall never know.

The banking issue was not confined to the UK it happened throughout the world. Clinton and Trump debated the very same thing yesterday.

Of course it did! everyone was making so much dosh they didn't care.....but they should have done! A responsible Government would have thought about what may well happen, in any country.

That's stupid, roses.
Osborne was telling Brown he hadn't relaxed his grip on the banks enough! He wanted more deregulation.

But the point it not a single country in the world did. That is because nothing like that had ever happened before, no-one not even those who had devised the leverage plans understood the implication of what they were doing. So to expect non experts like the government's throughout the world to understand what might happen is crying for the moon.

Osborne wasn't in power though was he? so it was up to Brown at that point.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/06/16/osborne-the-new-brown-or-are-we-seeing-the-birth-of-brownbornism/

No ww it wasn't beyond them anywhere to prepare for a crash in case it happened.

Why should Brown have taken any notice of Osborne? What a silly excuse.

You're right Tony Blair's government did deliver some excellent reforms and policies in the early days. The conservative government had got very tired and TB was like a breath of fresh air. It's a pity we can't rewind the clock and resurrect that original New Labour team, they were good and inspirational.

However, that is all in the past now, but illustrates the point that ALL governments do the wrong thing at times, and if ever the saintly Corbyn and cohorts got into power, they would make mistakes, very likely big ones.

So would people who attack him. The brick through Angela Eagle's window? Remember that?
Corbyn's supporters criticised for it?

wirralinittogether.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/post-factual-politics-an-update-on-brickgate-investigation-complete-nobody-arrested/

Not sure if your point rose the banking crash would have happened whoever was in government. All governments would have pumped money in at that point to keep the banks afloat.
No-one at any stage since for ever envisage such a catastrophic result
Brown produced a re capitalisation plan that was followed by most countries to pull the world out of a hole. We were following the plan and our economy was showing signs of growth until idiot Osborne took charge and convinced people he knew better. We have had a period in which the poor have paid for the stupidity of the bankers and ensured that the wealthy have continued on their jollies.

Who was that address to Ana?

I am talking about mistakes made by the Government of the day at any time Djen

The Blair comment I mean

If that is what you would like to think ww then so be it.The fact is, the UK has done quite well since Brown left office.What I never understand is the way some people think that everything done by their Party of choice is fantastic and any other Party only does rubbish things ( and I have never voted Conservative) but I can see the good things they have done, and also, under Blair, the many good things that Labour did.
If anbody thinks that ANY party is all wonderful then they are very blinkered.

As this thread is really about the future though, perhaps we should be getting back to it from our trip down memory lane.

So if Osborne had deregulated the banks would it have been right or wrong?

How could anyone be arrested for throwing a brick through a window if there were no witnesses ?

No, roses, the country has not done quite well. You might have done, but millions haven't. Even more millions are going to lose their homes next year because of the government's ideas on housing benefit. Many more are going to lose hundreds in tax credits.

You do swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker don't you Roses. As a country is made up of it's people, who has done quite well since Brown left office? The poor and disabled? The blue collar worker? The just hanging on middle classes? Or perhaps just the top 1% and those living on unearned income?

You say "What I never understand is the way some people think that everything done by their Party of choice is fantastic and any other Party only does rubbish things" but that is exactly what you do. I have never read anything from you that does not praise the Conservatives (who you have said you will vote for) and 'rubbish' anything coming from the other parties.

This thread may be about the future but if we do not understand the way our today has been fashioned by yesterday we will not be in a strong position to understand what we need for the future.

The biggest failure of recent government is GDP per person which loudly shouts that there has been too little investment. Please tell me what GO did to get that going in a different direction?

Your posts are always so very miserable GracesGran that they have the opposite effect and cheer me up, as I imagine you in a permanent state of gloom.
the 'country' is not entirely made up of the poor and disabled...I just point this out as a fact.You obviously don't read my posts , as I have said several times, that Labour under Blair did many good things.Perhaps you think that Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread, but many of us don't.

Ok let's look at the situation as it might be in 2020 which is when the next election should be.
Education- some grammar schools will be expanding and grabbing as much cash as possible, meantime all over the country underfunded primary schools will be increasing class sizes and trying to up their numbers but parents will still be unable to get the school of their choice.
NHS Waiting lists for free care will be huge, some services will be available for those who can afford to pay and jump the queue.
Housing Little affordable housing will be available in any major city. Rented property will be in short supply and multiple occupancy housing will be common everywhere. The numbers sleeping on the streets will have massively increased as shelters have closed.
The Conservatives will lose the election and leave Labour to clear up the mess (sound familiar?)

Not sure that Hammond will in fact follow osbornomics(such as they were) as everyone is finally beginning to understand what a disaster he was for this country.

My bet is that he will begin to follow a more Keynsian agenda, and we will see the government investing into various projects in order to stimulate the economy and avoid further cuts.

Just as McDonnell and Clinton are arguing for. Obama of course has been following this model since the general agreement with Brown after 2008.