Jeremy and the future

Watching Corbyns speech - very middle of the road.

May I repeat the post I made that actually mattered to me:

I certainly feel sad when I realise this government is telling a country as rich as ours that we cannot afford care for my soon to be 96 year old mother who struggles more and more with her dementia and even more sad when I think of others worse off than her who are left half dressed or not toileted because the government does not think we can afford proper time for proper care for people who are worse off than my DM is and who don't have a 'me' to fight their corner.

I also feel sad that this government tells us that this country, which we are reminded constantly by posters such as yourself, is the fifth or sixth richest in the world, cannot afford to invest in the health of those who need it to the level other rich countries do.

I am also sad that this government believes we cannot afford to educate our children but where there is money to spare we will segregate a small section of society and offer them an increased budget whether or not it actually improves education for them or for any children.

I am sad that the government does not feel we can offer housing to those we need to work to keep our business and industry going. I am sad that these people are undervalued but even sadder that the government of our rich country feels increasing homelessness is OK.

I am sad that, in this rich country, the government thinks it is OK to have a system of help that is so poorly constructed it drives people to food banks where upon they receive vitriol from this government for their poverty.

Yes roses you are right, the country is not made up of only the poor and disabled; it is more and more made up of those who are now part of the 'gig' economy because, so this government tells us, companies earning vast fortunes for their shareholders cannot afford proper contracts or even to pay the minimum wage.

No roses (and I have said this many times so a bit of pot, kettle, black there) I do not "think that Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread". What I do think is that he is offering an interesting view and he is saying, to all those who now feel that the country just doesn't think they count, that there is another way. He is not saying to these people, as the Conservative government is, that we just cannot - or choose not to - afford you and your needs while we can and will look after the needs to those who are grasping more and more of the riches of this very rich country.

I apologise to those wishing to discuss the subject that I allowed myself to be diverted.

Privatising and selling off public utilities has had a much greater effect.
I really did think that Labour would stop, if not reverse, that trend, at least with water.

I never understand the nostalgia for a time when people were worse off. Do such posters want to return to those times?

The Tories are currently looking at privatising parks- there isn't much else left. Even the Victorians believed working people needed a place to exercise for free!!!

There's always fresh air. People could be made to wear a mask (heavy fine if not worn) and put money in a slot if they want to breathe.

Maybe people could 're-educate' themselves

Perhaps, if they fail to do so, Corbyn could set up a Ministry of Truth if he becomes PM.
Otherwise Room 101 could be awaiting those who think differently.

daphne be careful you'll give them ideas!

Day6 I am really not sure what you are trying to prove in your post but things have changed and then sadly changed again.

I just think of the men and women who had to wait outside factory gates to get a days work. This changed and I doubt that anyone on here had anything but reasonable job security. Sadly this has now changed again so that instead of waiting at the factory gates people are waiting for a text to know whether they have work or not. Do you really think that is OK? I feel we will hear the third verse of All Things Bright and Beautiful being sung again by those who look back and say "it was ever thus":

The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high and lowly,
And ordered their estate.

Except lines three and four would be sung as

We made them high and lowly
While the Tories were "the state"

As the starter of this thread, I am happy to see GG and some others agreeing with me. I am sad that Day6 is so disillusioned, though I can see where she is coming from, it is hard sometimes to keep thinking there could be another way.
And rose, please stop the personal abuse and keep it general.

Gracesgran is just as guilty, probably even more so!

Personal abuse? ?..GracesGran could give a Master Class in it.
ygg you naturally prefer posts that agree with you ( don't we all.)

Day6 is not disillusioned! what a patronising thought because it does not chime with your own thoughts, she/he is a realist who sees that no Government of any political colour is going to get it all right, or stamp out poverty forever.

Just watched the Corbyn speech, the members lap it up as always.

Will you say the same about Mays speech? Because the members - of which there are 23 - will do the same

Every party leaders speech is lapped up

Love watching the BBC economic commentator Norman thingy wriggling uncomfortably under the journalists welcome acceptance of his speech.

Although I doubt May's will generate such hysterical hero-worship!

Blimey ana did you never watch the Tory conference when Thatcher was around. They can teach anyone about hysterical hero worship. In fact there is still a rump who would dig her up if they could!

Really? How macabre...

I can't stand hysterical hero worship,

I agree with whitewave, there was hysteria during the thatcher years, thry roared with laughter when Kenny Everet mocked Muchael Foots disability, sick

They only lap it up if it's what they want to hear ( from anyone) and Corbyn's forte is giving rousing speeches to the initiated, in fact, if that was ALL he was required to do, he would excel.

ana I know so much of the Tory party is. Happy to see people in shop doorways, happy to see food banks which means that children are getting inadequate diets. Happy to see crowded housing. Happy to see the end of the NHS.

Now that I would call macabre

However, he needs to be a Leader.