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@MaizieD

Charity TACT has been forced to admit that they lied about migrant "child" who looks considerably older than his claimed age and is NOT a Home Office interpreter after all.

That sort of thing does their cause no good whatsoever - just ammunition to those who would prefer UK ignored all migrants/asylum seekers. Did they give any sensible reason for trying to fool the authorities?

MaizieD . Re the dentists - the BDA says that clinically unnecessary radiographs are unethical so that's a problem as well as the 5 year issue

Rigby I hesitated to bring up the ethics issue as I felt that it would be received even less sympathetically than the few Calais immigrants who have managed to make it to the UK

Surely a bit of common since is needed. My nephew is disabled but now classed as an adult for benefit purposes and he is 16 years old. We should only a accept unaccompanied migrants up to the age of 16.

Firecracker, in this country we are now considered children up to the age of 18.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/10/20/the-government-is-betraying-the-20-000-syrian-refugees-it-pl

When the government said it was taking in 20,000 migrants by 2020, it did not say it was only going to take in youngsters, so why this concentration on age?

The problem is how few refugges have been allowed to come to the UK, not how old they are.

There is a problem which does not often get mentioned with children; they are usually only given temporary leave to remain, and are then often returned to their country of origin at 18.
Could you imagine being sent back to Afghanistan at the age of 18, when you've been living here for 5 years?
Another inhumane act.

Nearly all of the new arrivals from Calais are obviously not under the age of 18. Even an idiot would be able to see that.

Absolute rubbish! I saw plenty who easily looked under 18.

My daughter looks about 18 and she's 31. Just saying.

She finds it very annoying to be interrogated by a shop assistant to buy a bottle of wine and still has to carry her dog eared passport around with her as proof of age.

Do you think the age-checking software works the other way MaizieD - will it say I am only 32?

gilly you must be young ( lucky you) as my Grandad fought in the first world war.Father in the second one.

roses my Dad was in the First World War too, as well as the Second.
(I must be old)

Absolute rubbish! I saw plenty who easily looked under 18.
Yes, but those who are older and try to get in by lying about their age (and there are some!) do the children whom we should be welcoming here a disservice by making people suspicious.

Whatever happened to women and children first? I know it is children in this case, but where are the very small vulnerable children we were told about - are they here yet? - they should be an absolute priority.
The thought of children the same age as my DGC 8, 9 or 10 or so, wandering around without anyone to care for them is horrific. We were told there were many of them, why are they not the first to be brought over?

We are being told that we are allowing vulnerable children in, this is why people are so cynical when most of them look considerably older than 18. I think we should do much more to take our share of refugees from Lebanon and Turkey, these should be families including women, small children, not leaving the women and girls behind in the poor conditions there. I am against allowing in disproportionate numbers of grown males who have elbowed their way to the front of the queue. I think this policy will bring with it considerable social problems further down the line.

I saw plenty who easily looked under 18.

Were you there daphnedil?
Just wondering, because I have seen plenty who are under 18, and only a very small number have arrived so far.

I did see a picture of a small boy still in Calais who claimed to have been 'elbowed out of the way' by older youths eager to reach the UK.
Who is in charge of this over there in Calais?

Feasts, Pigeons and Cornfield comes to mind.

that was meant to be I have seen plenty who are under 18, and only a very small number have arrived so far. (your words, sorry, it didn't seem to work).

me not you!
I have seen plenty who are under 18 only a very small number have arrived so far.

Great software MazieD. (Almost as good as the photoshopping software that is used by magazines to make people like Helen Mirren look as if she has the complexion of an 8 year old. Of course newspapers have never used it to make anyone look either older or younger.)
I would think that if the England Under 18s had been on a very arduous camping trip for a few months, with inadequate food and few opportunities for washing and shaving the software would add on a few years to them all.

Even if all these young men are genuinely under 18, I'd still like to see some younger ones and some girls among the next arrivals.

I think that most of us would, but perhaps it means that the older looking ones have the right paperwork and can prove relatives here?
Jalima your Dad was in both wars?! How unlucky was he.

A girl has arrived already. You obviously missed her.

Ana there are not many unaccompanied girls, for reasons that are obvious.
The 14 children have been admitted under the Dublin agreement which is about uniting them with their families across Europe.
Nothing seems to have been done about the Dubs agreement. Rudd is dragging her feet.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/05/disgrace-to-europe-former-child-refugee-lord-dubs-calais-camp

roses, Jalima, my maternal uncle was at D.Day, and he brought home a very ferocious dagger with a huge swastika on the handle! My uncle has now died and the dagger is in the possession of my youngest cousin. My cousin is a clergyman, and not quite sure whether this 'trophy' is an appropriate momentum, but on the other hand feels it is a reminder of the follies and horrors of war. Like my grandpa and stepfather uncle rarely if ever talked about these war(s). If only humans could learn by the past, but I guess sadly they never will.

'The Home Office is not known for being a soft touch when it comes to asylum seekers and it has stated clearly that any child brought to the UK must have provided clear and credible documentary evidence proving their claimed age.

It’s also worth noting that those who criticise the youngsters who have arrived so far this week – poring over their facial features for evidence of deceit regarding their age – have omitted to mention the scores of children who have been wrongly detained in adult immigration removal centres over the years.

For children who have witnessed and sometimes experienced atrocities in their home countries and who leave family behind to embark on hazardous journeys to safety, being locked up with adults in conditions equivalent to a category B prison when they reach the UK really is the last straw. The experience compounds their trauma.'

Shouldn't you be complaining about this?

I didn't miss the information that the first girl had arrived, durhamjen but there was no information about her other than that she was 'teenaged'.