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The Saudis aren't very good when it comes to hitting the right targets and even countries who are ,( ie, hitting rebel forces instead of funerals or other civilian gatherings) get it wrong, which is why the phrase ' friendly fire' was coined, but Russia is quite deliberately targeting hospitals and all civilians young and old in their bid to help Assad.This is what is different!
Should the US have got involved there (Saudi A.) is another question, but arms trading goes on between ALL countries and if the US or UK gave all arms trading up today, it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

What do you expect me to say trisher - hip hip hooray?

This thread is just so - is ridiculous the right word? No? - condemnatory? - illusory? an unhealthy debacle? it is not worth contributing any more.

I wonder why no one's answering your question, niggly.

Niggly, I cannot recall one demonstration where there was a death, don't even recall hearing of a death in the pole tax demonstrations . arrests yes, but deaths ?

So I hope you are condemning those responsible with the same degree of feeling as you have the Russians.

The BBC is covering the war in Yemen

If we are discussing war crimes here is one for you. You might also wonder why the conflict in Syria is in the headlines whereas the war in Yemen is forgotten.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37607248

Nothing to do with US involvement and us selling weapons to the Saudis of course.

Exactly how could they be? A peaceful demonstration couldn't possibly be harmful to anyone.

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/its-time-to-nationalise-bae-systems/

Anyone think this a good idea? (Long read).

One in three of Saudi's bombs hit civilian targets. We are providing the bombs.
If we owned BAE we wouldn't be able to supply Saudi.
Saudi commits loads of war crimes using our weapons and our planes.

Why would Russian Embassy staff be in danger if a demonstration was held outside the Russian Embassy?

Makes you wonder whether these 'peace campaigners' actually know the meaning of the word.

We were not talking about 'what to do about it' that's a whole other question, but to more or less dismiss (As one or two posters are doing) That Russia is doing all Assads dirty work in this massacre, and that ' we are all as guilty' well, no we are bloody well not.

We don't need hysteria, but to call honest revulsion at what Russia is doing in Aleppo 'jingoism' is in itself , unfeeling and also untrue.

Of course it's a bloody war crime, completely agree with you there, but as to what to do about it - well, no-one on GN has got the answer any more than the politicians. And I do think Russia should be condemned, wholeheartedly. But at the same time we need to recognise that we and other so called civilised countries have contributed and continue to contribute in making things worse, sometimes with the best of intentions and sometimes only with the intention of making money for arms dealers, or protecting our own interests. And as an aside, I don't like Seams Milne and would love Corbyn to get rid of him.

FYI
www.aol.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/embassy-protest-would-contribute-to-hysteria-and-jingoism-against-russia/

I am always amazed at those who look at a war see the mess it has made but imagine that all it needs to sort things out is another battle somewhere.

drama
Jingoistic.....tosh as Jalima says. perhaps some of us recognise that what Russia is doing is a war crime against the Syrian people.

Does this advice apply to other embassies too - hope so !!

Do you know what jingoistic means dramatictessa? Can't see that condemning Russia can possibly be described as that!!

Does it matter that an ex-MI6 head says don't protest outside the Russian Embassy as you might put the lives of embassy staff in danger?

Niggly, your last post suggests we should do things differently now that we do know what will happen if we take part in bombing Syria.

Condemning Russian and Assad's bombing of women and children is not in the slightest jingoistic.

I never read so much tosh.

No, it's the alternative to jingoism school of thought.

Not yours nigglenellie - x post there!

is this the Seamus Milne school of thought which Corbyn et al avidly listen to?

We can realise and do, but what's done is done and we can't alter it, hindsight is a wonderful thing and if we'd realised then what we now know, no doubt things would have been conducted totally differently, abut it still doesn't answer why the West gets protested against vociferously but Russia never has/ does even when they deliberately behave so appallingly.

Yes +roses+ it is vile but it isn't much good just wringing your hands and blaming the Russians for everything. You do realise that Daesh are only there because of our meddling. Perhaps those who voted for the war in Iraq should realise that this is what happens and maybe next time there is a peace rally our government will listen. We provided the climate for Daesh to prosper and the Russians took advantage of it to assert their influence in the worst possible way. Condemn them by all means but recognise the events which led to this situation.