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Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

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POGS Thu 06-Oct-16 19:48:07

Well this could be interesting.

Rosie Winterton sacked from Chief Whips position and Nick Brown back in the Cabinet again. Baroness Shami Chakrabarti has done very well since joining Labour she is now Shadow Attorney General and Dianne Abbot Shadow Home Secretary, Dawn Butler Shadow Minority Ethnic Communities, Sarah Champion Shadow Women and Equalities Minister and Jo Stevens Shadow Secretary of State for Wales.

It will be interesting to see if any who signed 'No Confidence' in Corbyn can/will be in Corbyn's reshuffled Cabinet Team. Time for 'Unity'?

nigglynellie Thu 13-Oct-16 12:46:54

I'm afraid nobody on the far left will ever condemn Russia for its appalling bombing campaign in Allepo! It's hypocrisy at work again just like far left politicians and their childrens education! If this was the U.S.the Embassy would, understandably, almost certainly be in flames! but because it's Russia, of course it's somehow acceptable! No doubt Stop the War are pulling out all the stops to somehow shift the blame onto the West! Not easy of course but maybe possible with a bit of double thinking, a few tweaks and twists to verify that what Russia is doing is perfectly legitimate, and bingo, it's all the fault of the U.S. and of course the wicked UK. What a relief,we can all march again in the sure knowledge of the moral high ground!

Anniebach Thu 13-Oct-16 11:57:29

Thank you POGS, I await the defence yet again of Corbyn

POGS Thu 13-Oct-16 11:47:11

We have discussed Stop The War before , remember Peter Tatchell and the Syrian woman Muzna Al-Naib who challenged a Stop The War meeting and said basically it was a meeting to keep Assad in place and sod the Syrian people suffering.

Diane Abbott car crash interview over a Stop The War / Syria debate (05Nov15) - YouTube

I like this letter which says from a human rights activist to an anti war an activist.

www.syrian-expatriates.org/a-letter-from-a-human-rights-activist-to-an-antiwar-activist-on-syria/

Extract

"So, the West is about to attack. We don’t want foreign military intervention right? Oh but Iranian and Lebanese forces have been there for some time now fighting with The Government’s army, and along with Russia have been arming them with sophisticated weapons. I guess that doesn’t count as foreign because those are not western countries. Israel attacked Syria a few times too but they are not Western so let’s forget about that too.

What’s important now is to stop the West. They’re always looking to start wars. They are the bad guy. So that means Syria must be the good guy. Oh you don’t know much about them. Let me fill you in. There is a dictatorship there. It’s been about 40 years. It comes with all the stuff you expect from good guys, no freedom of expression, no democracy, gross human rights violations, political prisoners, and complete theft of the economy. In fact one guy owns 60% of the entire Syrian economy! Hmm, let me see what else. Oh yeah they were responsible for the killing of an entire city of Hama killing over 20,000 people in 1982 and are a designated a state sponsor of terrorism since 1979. And in case you forgot they attacked, kidnapped, tortured, and killed peaceful protesters for the first 6 months of the conflict while people asked for their basic rights and freedoms. Most recently chemical attacks were used against people while they slept killing over a thousand men, women, and children. In case you were wondering, Syria has the largest stockpile of chemical weapons in the world.
But they are not the bad guys, right? It’s more important to stop the West because they cause collateral damage. Never mind the existing collateral damage caused by The Government that has reduced a third of the country to rubble and killed tens of thousands in the process. No need to protest against the daily indiscriminate missile strikes being used by Syria’s military because the 3 days of missile strikes by the West will be much worse for the people of Syria."

As with most things it is who is behind the organisations I find interesting such as Corbyn, Andrew Murrey, Tariq Ali, et al. It comes back to political persuasions , let's say write for The Morning Star.

So much has been spoke of regarding Stop The War, including Labour MP's which brings us back to the chasm that divides Labour front and back benches.

Anniebach Thu 13-Oct-16 10:26:01

whitewave, this is not about the government, this is Corbyn against any demonstrations against Russia , Stop The War has nothjng to do with the government.

So Ann Clwyd who has campaigned against war is wrong to ask why no demonstrations and Corbyn is right to disagree with any demonstration against Russia bombing on the grounds that it detracts from America's part in the war?

The widower of Jo Cox is wrong too?

whitewave Thu 13-Oct-16 10:14:43

No annie I am not about criticising anyone in the Labour Party.

I am however concerned with the total chaos that is our government, and what will happen to our country. Johnson is the foreign secretary it is not his business to encourage people to demonstrate. Clwyd is perfectly entitled to talk about demonstrating or not as she is in opposition, holds no ministerial post and is not responsible for this countries foreign policy.

Anniebach Thu 13-Oct-16 09:59:26

whitewave, should those who campaign to bring in the children living in The Jungle remain silent because it isn't their job?

Anniebach Thu 13-Oct-16 09:57:21

So you condemn Ann Clwyd too whitewave, it was Anne who questioned why no demonstrations for this war yet had been for previous wars, I assume you took no part in demonstrations against the Vietnam War . Since when has Stop The War only applied to wars if the UK are involved ?

whitewave Thu 13-Oct-16 09:43:05

Have you thought about criticising the government annie ?

Johnson (amigo 3) I thought was pretty ineffectual. What on earth was the "go out and demonstrate and show Russia what you think of them" all about!!! Isn't that his job?

Anniebach Thu 13-Oct-16 09:34:05

Seems Corbyn is choosey on who to criticise and who to defend, yes all war is wrong but why hold back on condeming Russia , they even blew up an aid convoy, call Hamas his friends, some pacifist

Iam64 Thu 13-Oct-16 08:08:34

Emily and Dianne would never have reached the positions they currently have if JC hadn't been Labour leader.

Both Ann Clywd and Boris J spoke well in the commons. Interesting that on the matter of the slaughter of civilians by Russian and Assad forces, JC and co take the same line as Mr Trump. I agree with STW that all bombing and killing of civilians is wrong but that doesn't stop it happening does it. I'd demonstrate outside the Russian embassy, as well as continue to pressure my MP for diplomatic solutions and more help for those fleeing death in Syria.

POGS Wed 12-Oct-16 23:43:55

True.

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 23:31:40

Emily isn't going to condemn Russia, she doesn't want her name added to Corbyns hit list , she is a puppet unlike Benn

POGS Wed 12-Oct-16 23:25:22

Durhamjen.

You remind me of the words Labour MP Ben Bradshaw said to Emily Thornberry calling for a ceasefire.

Ben Bradshaw. Labour

" We had a ceasefire; it was brutally blown apart by Russian and Syrian air power. I still have not heard from my hon. Friend a clear and unequivocal condemnation of Russia’s and Assad’s action. I have not heard her call it out as it is—a war crime."

Seems to be a question why so many , notably those who follow Corbyn et al, find Russia and Assad to be so easily likened to the USA, UK. Why stop there let's not forget the Embassies of France, Denmark, Australia, Belgium, Canada etc.

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 22:57:12

it healed thanks

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 22:55:23

In my defence Ana , it was a damn stupid question,

durhamjen Wed 12-Oct-16 22:52:19

What happened since then?

Ana Wed 12-Oct-16 22:41:46

Annie! grin

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 22:30:29

I had a blister Jen

durhamjen Wed 12-Oct-16 22:27:43

Statement first, Annie, then question.
What's wrong with that? Quite normal, I would have thought.

durhamjen Wed 12-Oct-16 22:26:07

I thought you said you marched against the war in Iraq, Annie.
What happened?

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 22:21:47

I most certaintly am not the one with a problem

durhamjen Wed 12-Oct-16 22:20:35

The link was yesterday. The weekend was two to three days earlier. What's your problem? Are you so easily bored?

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 22:20:17

Another question in reply to a question !

durhamjen Wed 12-Oct-16 22:19:08

If Johnson said Russia, the US and the UK, that would be different. To just single out Russia, when the US and UK have killed as many civilians is wrong.
The US and UK will not agree to independent scrutiny. Why not?

Anniebach Wed 12-Oct-16 22:13:33

Yes, and referred to yet another rally -yawn- held at the weekend and has no connection with demonstrations , which Stop The War are always so eager to take part in, why not against Russia ?