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Yes Maizie I did mean the term Brexshitters.
granjura what on earth is your post about ( knitting etc) ????? My post before that was to Norose not you, and was a response to a new poster being a tad nervous about diving into this thread, so I was explaining about strong topics and strong feelings but also making a little joke about knitting nanas( it's an ad for shreddies) I sometimes feel that you don't always understand posts.

What a rude comment also Granjura about myself and Ana being the same , does that mean that you and Tegan are also?

Shall we get back to what is interesting and matters.

Before we do I'd just like to say to suzied that I consider 'shitter' to be a far more pejorative term than 'moaner'. They're both rather silly words to get het up about though, aren't they?

I agree, but I think the B term was used originally as it seemed to flow fairly easily from "Brexitter", as did" Remoaner" from "Remainer". Simple as.

We are clear about what we want from
Europe
We say: yes to the Single Market Yes to turbo-
charging free trade
Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone
Yes to a family of nation states, all part of a European Union – but whose interests, crucially, are guaranteed whether inside the Euro or out.

From the Tory party manifesto, which all those who voted Tory agreed to.

So why does Theresa May want us out of the single market?

As to granjura's last post - article 50 was written by the UK in those way off days when the UK was happy to be a member of the EU.

Unfortunately people could not believe a number of things which were highly likely to happen if there was a leave vote and considered it scaremongering.

I do feel that much of the bad feeling which has developed in the UK in the last few months was initiated by the attitude of the leaders of both campaigns. Had the campaigning been more civilised perhaps Britain would not feel so divided now.

Luckily for those of us who would prefer to Remain within the EU France at least is talking about not taking revenge on us - the Brits living in the EU - and Guy Verhagstadt has remarked how the 48% must not be forgotten - but the British Govt appear to want to airbrush out almost half the people who voted.

The fate of Brits living in the EU seems to depend on a reciprocal agreement being reached with the U.K. so nothing can be definitive yet.

I lived in the UK since 1970 when the £ = 10 CHF- and it is currently at the lowest it has ever been, at 1.20. When we moved here 7 years ago, it was 2.50

when we first went to Australia the exchange rate was A$2.5 to the £1, we wondered whether to buy a flat there but circumstances changed and we didn't (more's the pity).
Then it went to $A1.4 to the £1, then up to A$1.96, now it is A$1.6 I believe.

It depends on the strength of the foreign currency too.

When we leave the EU will pensioners living in the EU still have their pensions increased as they would in the UK? Or will they be like pensioners in Australia and the pensions be pegged at the rate they are when they left?

Interesting to hear that Johnson had to be assisted over his understanding as to how the single market works.
Well, that is a surprise considering he was a journalist in Brussels for very many years.
I would have thought he knew more about it than the MEPs!!

^ I'm actually starting to feel sorry for people who have hearts so hard that they don't care that what they have created in brexit may be/will be causing hardship for others.^

Yes, I voted remain because I thought hard about what the alternative would mean for Ireland and its people of course.

I voted the way I did for what I thought best for the UK and for my family.

No, I didn't think of Ireland, sorry, although DD has some very good friends there, and I would not have expected them to think of me if they had a referendum.

jalima apparently not. It wasn't an MEP but a government official - German I think but I forget his name.

brexshitters
or brexknitters by the sounds of the thread

When Johnson was a journalist in Brussels, he made up lots of lies about the EU laws. If he'd known enough about it, he wouldn't have needed to do that. He could have just told us the truth. Unfortunately, the truth would not have pleased the Telegraph readers or owners.

Sigh

I left my knitting in the Ashmolean today Jalima

Made a cowl, fingerless gloves and a beanie for my neighbour today - proud ;)

I think somebody posted this link before, but I couldn't find it

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2760025-Does-anyone-else-sense-a-change-of-mood-re-Brexit?pg=4

It's amazing how a few years can make such a difference. Is that what our daughters are thinking?

Not necessarily our daughters, dd. There are some quite elderly people posting on the mumsnet EU forum.

Yes, I know

I was trying to be tactful and point out that there is a very different attitude.

Oh Gawd. There are times when tact is completely lost on me, dd

Jeez, I do hope my DD nor my DDIL EVER post or even get involved with Mumsnet !

What's wrong with mumsnet? They have some good forums and a wide variety of posters. It's like Gnet; just post where you feel comfortable.

Well the EU made it clear again to May last night:

NO negotiations until you invoke article 50- and then after art 50, the country opting out will NOT be part of negotiations, and any decision will have to be agreed by ALL other EU members.

It was clear all along, it is very simple actually.

What kind of Brexit we wish for, be it soft, hard or in the middle- is pretty irrelevant at this stage.

There are over thirty enquiries into Brexit already.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/scrutinising-brexit

The committee is going to be kept busy.

Granjura, you might like to read this.

www.opendemocracy.net/node/105353