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If CETA is signed off by all 38 regional and national assemblies, TTIP might not be necessary. Any multinational company that has an office in Canada can use CETA to do what it wants.
We can be sued for not accepting GM crops.
We can be sued for not wanting pesticides that kill bees because it will deny perceived profits to Monsanto, or whatever the large conglomerate will be when it goes in with Synergie.
As I asked before, do you want that?
We hand over control to large multinationals. What a good idea.
Did Brexiters think of that when they voted to take back control?

What with Trump possibly winning- I am getting seriously depressed and upset

'Seriously depressed'. Really? I doubt it...

Pleased don't tell me that you're happy at the thought of Trump becoming President? #youcannotneserious

Is Switzerland affected by CETA, granjura?

Tegan, please don't tell me that you consider 'serious depression' to be the same as the feeling someone has whose will has been thwarted by a democratic referendum!

Have you ever known anyone with serious depression?

Tegan and granjura, did you watch Michael Moore in Ohio, about Trumpland?
I think he might have persuaded some to change their minds.
I hope so, anyway.

How do youi know Ana - how? The world is such a mess at the moment- and yes, how I feel goes far beyond 'frustration' re Brexit. Who do you think you are - to judge how I feel

And who do you think you are, granjura, to define your feelings as 'serious depression'? Are you on anti-depression medication? If so, you have my deepest sympathy.

Is having serious depression the same as saying you are getting seriously depressed?
I don't think so.

It isn't, thanks.

Let's hope granjura never has to actually 'have' it then, rather than just 'getting' it...

Let's hope next time you 'get it', i.e., understand what granjura is saying.

Oh, I understand what she's saying all right. Same as usual.

If remain had won, I would have been disappointed, but I can't see that it would have brought on depression or an anxiety attack that I am prone too (medication at times). As for Preident Trump, it is a possibility I think we all have to face, but again don't think even the reality of that rather scary prospect will cause depression. My SIL lives in France luckily they still have a property in the UK which they are in the process of moving back to. They plan to rent out France for the time being and see which way the wind blows before deciding a permanent plan. They've taken brexit pretty calmly and philosophically.

and understand/accept perfectly why we voted the way we did, as we have them.

They are very lucky to be able to choose where to live still - many people will not be so lucky but reliant on selling before moving. At the moment if they are having their pensions etc paid directly into EU bank accounts many are really suffering with income going down by hundreds of Euros a month. When people do not wish to move but are needing to do so for reasons beyond their control it must be depressing. We know people who are at the stage of needing to go into a nursing home - the loss of income makes it imperative they move to one in UK rath er than remaining in the EU.

'Tegan, please don't tell me that you consider 'serious depression' to be the same as the feeling someone has whose will has been thwarted by a democratic referendum!'..did I actually say that? I thought I asked what your opinion of Trump was??

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/30/nissans-post-brexit-deal-could-lead-to-colossal-bills-for-taxpayers

Thought so. Government is going to have to do more honest explaining. Like Keir Starmer said this morning, why do MPs have to learn about this agreement from a television programme rather than in parliament?

A university statistician has worked out that Theresa May's interview with Marr last week she only answered 14% of questions directly. The average is 46%.

This is disturbing as well.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/30/uk-descendants-of-jewish-refugees-seek-german-citizenship-after-brexit-vote

Could have something to do with anti sematism in the Corbyn run Labour Party?! Not a very comfortable place to be if you are Jewish, and the thought of them in government?!!! Maybe best to get out while the going is good!! Just thought

It is of course the cumulative effect which is so very depressing- as said Trump + Brexit- but also Putin and Syria, the refugee crisis and the rise of racism, what is happening to the environment and biodiversity, and so much more...The thought that this is what my grandchildren will have to grow up with- yes, it seriously depresses me.

Although, I'd wager that few here would not panic at the reality of losing 60% of their income, through NO fault of their own. The initial overnight loss of 40% had nothing to do with Brexit, but the dis-alignment of the Swiss Franc to the Euro. We managed to absorb that by making big adjustments - but the further 20% loss, and perhaps much more to come- leaving us at 40% of income- is not for the fainthearted.

Not every house is suitable for renting or for leaving empty, Niggly. I am so happy for your Sil that they have no problem with this and can take it all calmly.

It has now hit us to the extent that we have had to cancel our planned visit to Spain this winter. This means that we will not be able to see our son, DiL and grandchildren and it will be at least 18 months between visits. Not depressed but very sad.

Granjura, they have always been aware that living abroad in retirement could be detrimental as well as advantageous, and have simply born this in mind as much as you ever can when making long term arrangements in later life. Nothing particularly startling in making contingency plans. I think people felt the same kind of worry for their grandchildren after both those wars particularly during the cold war, but it's amazing how young people adapt, and despite our grandparents we're still here!!

Could have something to do with anti sematism in the Corbyn run Labour Party?

I wouldn't think that anti-Zionism in the Labour party has the slightest bearing on the case. These people are applying for citizenship of an EU country which will entitle them to freedom of movement and employment in EU member countries. Lots of people have done the same thing ever since the result of the referendum was known. What makes this newsworthy is the terrible irony of people applying for citizenship of the country which exterminated many of their forebears. I should think that for many this was not a decision that was taken lightly.

P.S it's 'semitism'