Castro

grandMattie, I think I must be a heretic too! However, what would you put in it's place? Communism hasn't been the answer, nor dictatorships so what would you put in it's place? Democracy seems like the lesser of all evils until you get the likes of Trump in power!
My daughter visited Castro and all the people she spoke to were, on the whole, pleased with their lot but had niggles like any nation of people so she came back quite impressed. However, if you were going to be whipped off never to be seen again, you probably wouldn't express outrage to a complete stranger anyway.
I think Castro was probably well intentioned to start with and then didn't want to give up power so acted accordingly. Whilst I totally disagree with his methods, just look at what has happened to the Iraq and the world since we got rid of Sadam Hussein. More bloodshed than he seemed to produce.

Cuba's territorial waters extend for 12 miles. However, fishing in Cuba is illegal without a government licence.
www.ipsnews.net/2014/03/despite-risks-cuban-fisher-families-dont-want-leave-sea/
People are so poor that they cannot afford a boat anyway, part due to a repressive regime, part due to US embargo, although a more enterprising government should surely seek other markets unless that smacked too much of capitalism and could be dangerous in letting people think for themselves.

However - you can't always suppress enterprise:
www.ibtimes.com/poverty-cuba-fishing-condoms-just-one-way-cubans-have-outsmarted-us-embargo-2447683

Democracy has its faults but i think it is preferable to the alternatives.

Why to we always discuss these issues from a 'holier than thou' stance. There was wrong and bad behaviour on all sides that's people for you.

It may sound heretical, but is democracy that wonderful?

Agree about what Castro has achieved in the fields of education, medicine, etc., but the people are very repressed, by both their regime and the US. US decreed that the Cubans shouldn't got further than a silly, shallow, distance from shore they don't fish and in an area so rich in fish, they eat NONE. That should also be addressed.

trisher, you believe putting homosexuals in camps, putting those who speak against your politics before firing squads is justified because Cuba felt threatened by America, oh well your beliefs are your choices

I agree, far left are is different to far right , both bring out the worse in people

A revolutionary like Castro may start out by liberating his people from the corruption that was endemic and the controlling influences of a foreign power ie America, but can only keep control by suppressing any opposition by imprisonment or murder and becoming the dictator that no-one dare challenge. He did not bring good for all over 1.5 million who fled Cuba would testify.
With an ally in Russia and an enemy in America he became far more powerful than would be normal for the leader of such a tiny country. Being only 90 miles from America put him in a prime spot to be a puppet of Russia.

He may have claimed to have brought better healthcare and education to some of the Cubans who remained there - but not all as DaphneBroon points out.

A person does not have to be right-wing to see that extremism either way does not work for the common good and that human rights can be violated by extremists of either side.

Cuba was such a corrupt place before the coup but fifty nine years later and still no democracy

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11147157

Is this better?

I suspect those who support a more right-wing agenda will consider Fidel Castro to be the devil incarnate. Those on the left will hail him as a hero.

The truth is he was both.

And we have to remember what Cuba was like before his coup.

Page not found DB

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-

This is interesting and the picture is of a patient in a Cuban hospital under their "world standard" healthcare system.

I think this is it. Not surprising, I suppose

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-corbyn-hails-fidel-castro-as-a-champion-of-social-justice-a7440696.html

This was posted by a friend of a "friend" on FB

" I strongly suggest that all the armchair revolutionaries lamenting the death of Castro read 'Before Night Falls' by the gay Cuban writer Reinaldo Arenas, or watch the film starring Javier Bardem.
Like many communists, Castro's revolution didn't extend to gay people. Under his regime, thousands of gay men were imprisoned, tortured and murdered"
There is also an Independent article which I am still looking for. I'll post the link if and when I find it!

Trump has rubbished him -that should be enough to give Castro a bit of respect!!!

Yes maybe a bit more than that, America did play their part in toppling Allende in Chile back in the '70s. Parts of Latin America veer between far left dictatorships and far right military juntas, both of which seem dire. The late Chavez regime has left Venezuela in a terrible state.

I don't think it was a 'bee in their bonnet' I think it was a sustained attempt to discredit a regime which offered a real alternative to capitalism and exploitation. I'm not saying Castro's regime was without its faults but we should also recognise that the developing world has benefited from the regime.
The problem is there was no democracy in Cuba in the first place Anniebach and years of American interference had left a corrupt and exploitative government. Introducing democracy might have meant the loss of the undoubted benefits and improvements for the population and might have resulted in the US beginning to interfere once again. The actions of Castro have to be balanced against the very real threat Cuba faced from the US.

Emigres not emigree's

I had Che Guevara on my wall 'cos he looked well fit, as they say these days. Vacuous teenage syndrome

Castro was a controversial figure who undoubtedly did some good, overthrowing the corrupt Batista regime and providing a much improved health care and education system for Cubans. Nevertheless, he was also ruthless and repressive. Dictators who have overthrown a previous regime are rarely benign. Cuban emigree's have been out en masse in Miami celebrating.

I'm glad Cuban/American relations thawed under Obama, all that went on too long. The Americans did have a bee in their bonnet about left wing regimes on their doorstep.

So no need for democracy ?

Castro was also ready to help others. When the new South African government (after apartheid) brought in universal healthcare there weren't enough doctors so Castro sent across Cuban doctors and trainers. The Cuban doctors went into areas the white doctors wouldn't/daren't go in to.

As long as you agreed with him trisher

At least our monarch doesn't clap people in the Tower of London these days.

just want a monarch living in the 21st century
monarch annie?
I think she's pretty savvy and up-to-date with world affairs for a 90 year old and I do like a bit of tradition.

Anyway, I digress and we could end up with a thread going down the same lines as others.

Castro - some Cubans are hoping he has gone to meet his maker - in hell, so I am not sure that they want him to RIP. Others will look on him as their hero. I know he improved things in a lot of ways for many people - as I said, as long as you weren't a dissenter.

DD has a picture of Che Guevara, not sure if it is still on her wall, it was when she was a student.

He also was responsible for improving the Cuban education system and developing one of the highest literacy rates in the world. The Cuban medical teams were the first on the ground in Haiti and provided the only sustainable health care system . Other countries tend to ship in teams and withdraw them when the crisis is over. Cuba sends in teams, takes locals to Cuba to train as medics and in fact offers anyone with the right potential the opportunity for a free medical education.
We may disapprove of a dictatorship but there is no doubt that the regime he replaced was rotten and the situation for the people of Cuba was significantly improved. The efforts of Cuba to deal with the poverty and deprivation in the wider area should also be recognised. Unfortunately much of the news we receive is slanted towards pleasing our US friends.
Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined,-Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Jalima I agree with all your points and, like you, feel that diplomacy must involve discussion with leaders with whom your country may not agree. Also nepotism is the brother ( or son, or whatever) of dictatorship.

But nepotism can sneak in via officially elected presidents( i.e. Trump)!

Anniebach I understand your point about having a monarch who reflects the age we live in but the monarch is only a figurehead and, as a figurehead, can represent the past( our present Queen) as well as the future( whoever succeeds her). Other countries love the traditions that our monarch represents.

Re Fidel Castro , whatever we may think of him as a dictator, he created a fantastic free health system in Cuba that is second to none, or so I have been told.

Jamila, I am not a republican ,just want a monarch living in the 21st century