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NHS winter crisis looms

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JessM Fri 09-Dec-16 19:46:17

The NHS is struggling and winter is setting in.
Jeremy Hunt is asking for "efficiency savings" - in other words he is making cuts when demand is rising steeply as a result of our aging population. This means that every year the NHS needs a lot more money, to just maintain their service.
Over the last 6 years Trusts have been heavily pressured by Jeremy Hunt to cut beds - "increase bed occupancy" - to become "more efficient". So there are fewer beds in the system to cope with the inevitable rise in winter admissions.
Social care budgets have been heavily cut in England so there is less of a safety net for frail people living at home - so more likely to end up in hospital.
Noro virus outbreaks in hospitals are already up on the last few years - and that tends to close whole wards.
Today I read that 7% that is one in 14 English people are waiting for non-routine operations. Suspect there aren't going to be many beds available for those on the lists. Longest waiting list for 9 years
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/08/one-in-14-people-waiting-operations-demand-nhs-soars
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38263593
And is this a taste of things to come - flu closing school in Manchester? if there is a flu epidemic things are going to get really nasty. Best advice is, if you haven't had a flu jab yet, get one. They're about a tenner in a pharmacy near you, if you're not entitled to a free one!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-38241513

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 20:40:24

That's what my previous link was about, jacksmum, the warzone in A&E.
One doctor said that when he went on duty, everybody on the trolleys had been waiting for over four hours.

jacksmum Sun 08-Jan-17 20:28:16

The goverment needs to do something to support the hospitals and the staff , the NHS is in a terrible state, my daughters MIL was rushed to hospital last week with suspected stroke, she was kept in an Ambulance for 2 hours as no room in hospital , the she was seen by doctor and the CT brain scan, thankfully it does not seem it was a stroke but those 2 hours could have been vital if she had had 1.

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 20:23:08

Best way to sort the energy crisis out is to renationalise it, stop Chinese and European companies owning them. Not just European companies, but European governments.
Brexit doesn't stop that. Theresa May doesn't want to take back control of our energy supplies, as that would spoil it for her friends, just like with the railways and trains.
"Scrap of info you tossed into the ether"?
You sound like Mair.

By the way, what's wrong with 25% of electricity being provided by renewables? That's when the government has cut its renewables subsidy.
Another 5% needed and that's the tipping point, isn't it? The point when people start to believe in it.
Except the owners and shareholders of the Telegraph, of course. They probably don't even believe in climate change.

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 20:15:23

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/08/an-absolute-warzone-nhs-doctors-describe-their-week-in-ae

Anya Sun 08-Jan-17 19:08:01

Do you think yiu have sorted the energy shortage then DJ with that scrap of 'info' you tossed into the ether.

This is more like the reality of the lights going out

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 18:39:58

Hope you are okay now, elfies. Where did you end up? I've been in Durham A&E twice over the last three years, and then on the wards, but never to any of the others you mention.

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 18:37:58

It's doubling in size because it needs to. It was only built in 2001 and is already treating twice as many patients as it was intended to.
I am sure I explained that earlier. It's no longer fit for purpose.

daphnedill Sun 08-Jan-17 17:37:25

I hope you're better now, elfies. That sounds like a nightmare.

rosesarered Sun 08-Jan-17 17:33:22

Can't use Brexit money Anya .......we are still paying in to the EU ,but taxes will have to go up at some point and social care needs it's own budget, not lumped into the NHS.

elfies Sun 08-Jan-17 17:17:54

Someone just asked why Durham A&E is doubling in size .
Probably because newly refurbished local hospitals have had A&E closed down so our ambulances are heading to Durham instead.
An ambulance collected me after a heart attack and couldn't even tell my partner which hospital I was heading for ,so he could follow with a hospital bag. It could be Durham, Darlington ,Bishop Auckland or Hexham ,we'll phone and let you know ,they said ,(they didn't). Brilliant, we can get a bus to Bishop Auckland , that's the reality of living in the sticks . great for OAPs without transport , buses cease at 6pm and none on sundays , no wonder old folk in hospital get depressed

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 17:17:29

25% of all electricity last year was from renewables, Anya, up from less than 10% in 2011.


Harry Leslie Smith

@Harryslaststand

Let's be clear #NHSCrisis was artificially created by Theresa May & her Tories b/c to them good healthcare is for those who can afford it.
5:38 PM - 7 Jan 2017

Anya Sun 08-Jan-17 16:41:20

Just so long as the electricity supply to the care homes and hospitals doesn't run out!

JessM Sun 08-Jan-17 16:02:52

Very funny anya

whitewave Sun 08-Jan-17 14:51:30

That sounds like a plan dj

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 14:38:08

Is there any, Anya?

I propose we claim all the tax that should be paid, scrap Trident and the Hinckley Point contract, and use the money to properly fund the NHS and social care. Let the councils run care homes again, instead of them being run by private companies.

Anya Sun 08-Jan-17 14:22:26

Or use the Brexit money!

whitewave Sun 08-Jan-17 13:34:01

I propose that we up the spending to at least the European average and to do so pay a NHS specific tax

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 23:34:41

www.healthcampaignstogether.com/

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 23:32:31

A march needs to be in London to be on National news.
However, there have been quite a few over the last year, all warning the government what would happen.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/our_nhs

paddyann Sat 07-Jan-17 23:23:37

nothing about it on "national" news ,but thats not surprising

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 23:15:14

www.konpdurham.org.uk/?p=362

That's taking to the streets. It happened. It was very well attended and reported in the North East.

It's about money, and about the amount of money this government has cut from the NHS and social care budgets.
It's about a government that doesn't care because people like Branson are only too keen to take money and rob the country of tax.

www.nhsforsale.info/private-providers.html

More than Branson.

paddyann Sat 07-Jan-17 23:06:49

why aren't people taking to the streets about the NHS ,its being sold off to the likes of Branson and nobody seems to care .Its shocking how bad things are,if reports on the news are to be believed .It 's not ALL about money its clearly very bad management

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 23:00:59

skwawkbox.org/2017/01/07/dept-of-health-jeremyhunt-not-awol-hes-been-turned-into-an-app/

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 22:51:39

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/07/todays-nhs-tweets/

Penstemmon Sat 07-Jan-17 22:48:02

What is better than campaigning to maintain the NHS mair... moaning about it?