The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

niggynellie Funny that should mention our parents generation. I remember very clearly at the 75 referendum my father stating that it would become a police state.
A bit over the top I know, but he certainly saw which way things were going to go.

Petra
I think our parents generation who had lived through the war years had a much better intuitive appreciation of the stability and liberties that Britons enjoyed compared to fellow Europeans. Then came the baby boomers with our university education and 'know better' attitudes.

"Nobody voted for Brexit in order to become poorer"

But I think we all knew that may be the consequence in the short term at least. In the long term in or out of the EU who can say?

It wasn't about money.

I'm surprised you didn't know that 'Mair' is quite a common Welsh name, daphnedill. You could certainly have googled it before making the insulting assumption that you did...

Again I agree with you Mair. My parents happily voted to join the Common Market; Had they been able to fast forward forty years they, like us, wouldn't have entertained it!!!!

"Brexit must be acceptable to all people in the U.K., so that means the 48%as well as the 52%"

It is good to have recognition that Brexit is not just owned by Brexiters, those sceptible of the Brexit outcome should be equally given consideration of their views and ideas.

I am beginning to worry about the Brexiters ideas over free trade, as I think it is a naive concept outside of the EU and such similar agreements, particularly listening to Trump and his leaning to a greater degree of protectionism.

What an awful insult about Mair's name dd if this is what people get for not agreeing with you, just an insult about their name, then what have things come to on here?
Also Maizie you have done much the same with the inference of internet trolls etc and telling Mair how she should / should not word things! what a bloody cheek.

Just accept that a lot of us do not agree with your thoughts on Brexit.

.....and we are not insulting YOU.

Well said rosesarered!

It's very typical of the behaviour of angry hate filled remainers sadly. They've has their own way for far too long, calling people who oppose uncontrolled mass immigration 'racists' 'little Englanders' and even 'Nazis', as well as sneering at Brexiters as 'uneducated'and this latest post referendum trend to suggest that people who voted leave were too stupid to know what we were voting for.

On LBC at the moment they are discussing if Merkel will be punished at the ballot box. I hope she will.

It will be amazing if she isn't.

I'm a remainer and not filled with hate or anger. Sadness yes, at the rise in hate crime and the divide the referendum has caused in our society. Worry yes that the cost of Brexit, economically and socially will cause much distress to many particularly the poor.

Sceptable yes that the government is up to the enormous task ahead.

Alarm that somehow Brexit has "allowed" so much vitriol to be directed at what is seen as the enemy.

But perhaps not enough to kick her out.

I just hope the German people have a longer memory than we do when it comes to elections.

Then you are one of the sensible Remainers ww who worries about how it will be resolved but doesn't take cheap pot shots at Gransnetters who voted to Leave.

I'm a remainer and not filled with hate or anger.
It's good that there are some who are not. The majority I would hope.

Sadness yes, at the rise in hate crime
Alleged rise. There was a rise of reports of 'hate' crimes. Whether crimes proven in the courts will turn out to reflect this is yet to be demonstrated. Many of these reports appeared to be online (false?)reports by angry Remain voters eager to smear the Brexit campaign. Some seemed extraordinarily petty such as people being offended because they were asked if they were going home.

the divide the referendum has caused in our society
Mainly I suggest due to a vocal powerful minority of Remain voters unwilling to accept democracy and evn now trying to prevent Brexit.

Worry yes that the cost of Brexit, economically and socially will cause much distress to many particularly the poor.
But remaining in the EU with some 600000 (gross) immigrants a year is already causing "much distress to many particularly the poor" who have to compete with them for jobs and homes.
Does that not worry you?

Sceptable yes that the government is up to the enormous task ahead
May needs our confidence and support.

Alarm that somehow Brexit has "allowed" so much vitriol to be directed at what is seen as the enemy.
I think most vitriol is coming from the angry remainers and directed back at them in turn.

I am pleased that Fox - the Hardest of Brexiters, recognises that the Customs Union is highly desirable. I will definitely support that.

I am nevertheless unclear as to his Actual job. His productivity levels seem at rock bottom at the moment.

Fox of course is one of the keenest of free traders. Unfortunately, the world seems to be turning its back on free trade, so not clear how he will deal with that.

@petra

Whom do suggest would be a viable alternative to Merkel?

Unless something catastrophic happens before September, the CDU/CSU will almost certainly remain the largest single party in Germany, which will probably remain in coaltion with the Social Democrats (SPD). Depending on how many seats are lost to AfD and the 'Lefts' and are needed for a majority, Merkel might ask the Greens to be part of a grand coalition. The SPD and Greens are more pro-immigration than Merkel, so it's highly unlikely there will be a major U-turn.

PS. It's possible that Martin Schulz will be the SPD candidate. Even if the SPD isn't the largest party, Schulz could well end up as Foreign Secretary. Hans-Dietrich Genscher, who was Foreign Secretary from 1974-1992 wasn't ever a member of the largest party. It's known that Schulz is after the job. He's currently the President of the European Parliament and has already crossed swords with Boris Johnson.

@petra

Sp glad that your father was proved totally and utterly wrong!! The UK is nowhere near becoming a police state, despite the conspiracy theorists. If you ever go to Berlin, go and visit this place, if you want to know what a police state is like:

www.stasimuseum.de/en/enindex.htm

daphnedill I obviously didn't explain myself correctly: my father was referring to the eu.
Re Merkel. I don't know who I do want but I do know who I don't want.

I realised your father was referring to the EU. He was totally wrong. The EU isn't a police state.

As far as Merkel is concerned, she is likely to be Chancellor after the election. The most serious contender is Martin Schulz, if the SPD put him forward. I think you'd like him even less.

PS. He's a close ally of Guy Verhofstadt, who has been appointed by the European Parliament to negotiate Brexit talks. Could be fun!