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The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

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MaizieD Mon 12-Dec-16 08:29:59

There have been headlines over the weekend, in response to the recent polling, on the lines of "Nobody voted for Brexit in order to become poorer" (though they were good at dsmissing warnings that they would as 'scaremongering') Richard Murphy takes us through 10 reasons why he thinks it is inevitable. If anyone has an authoritative source to counter his points I'd be happy to see it.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/12/11/ten-reasons-why-brexit-is-bound-to-be-costly-for-ordinary-people/

durhamjen Fri 16-Dec-16 11:39:54

I presume after March she will not have to go to these open meetings, as we will not have a say, so she will not be seen to be treated like that again.
Not quite sure what she expected.

Anniebach Fri 16-Dec-16 11:26:00

I didn't say she was a child, I was referring to the coverage shown on the news, you seem to have seen far more than I did

daphnedill Fri 16-Dec-16 11:17:47

Except that she's not a child! As PM she should know how to handle international situations. She wasn't isolated at all.

daphnedill Fri 16-Dec-16 11:16:42

No, I didn't feel the slightest bit sorry for May. She's an adult operating in a high-powered adult world. It would appear that she left the dinner early of her own volition. Some pictures show her on her own, while others how her chatting to other EU leaders.

I don't think these are 'awful' people. None of them kicked the UK out of the EU.

Anniebach Fri 16-Dec-16 11:11:28

It really was awful niggly , I agree she behaved with such dignity , it was rather like watching bullies in a playground when they isolate a child, horrible

nigglynellie Fri 16-Dec-16 11:04:18

I thought Teresa May behaved with great dignity in the face of extreme rudeness bordering on bullying from the so called dignitaries of the EU. What awful people they are, how ashamed I would be to be a citizen of one of these so called civilised countries! No wonder we want to to leave an organisation run by these arrogant ignorant ill mannered fool's. The sooner we go the better.

Anniebach Fri 16-Dec-16 10:54:56

I felt so sorry for her

durhamjen Fri 16-Dec-16 10:49:47

Did anyone feel sorry for Theresa May last night?

MaizieD Fri 16-Dec-16 10:40:44

I think you'd better look at my previous postings, Jess

JessM Fri 16-Dec-16 10:39:06

And a remark like that MazieD is just trivialising something that is potentially disastrous for the UK.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought

durhamjen Fri 16-Dec-16 10:38:08

Oh dear, more scaremongering.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-50bn-eu-a7478126.html

That poor bus promise.

MaizieD Fri 16-Dec-16 10:35:43

Oh, pooh dd, Jess & ww! You're just speculating and scaremongering...

whitewave Fri 16-Dec-16 09:23:10

Pink wafer biscuits!! A victim of Brexit and the fall in sterling.

JessM Fri 16-Dec-16 09:05:07

You may depend that businesses will make their plans based on a risk analysis, and if this concludes it is, for instance, better on balance to get their bank HQ out of London, they'll start to get on with it.

daphnedill Fri 16-Dec-16 08:53:38

I don't agree that everybody can just wait and see what happens. What we have is groups of people lobbying to protect their own interests. They can see that Brexit will affect them, so are trying to make sure that measures are put in place. For example, universities have already seen a drop in the number of EU applicants, which is already affecting their income. Scientists are already being affected, because they're not getting EU grants. About a third of foreign language teachers working in British schools are EU nationals and schools want to make sure that they continue to have a supply of teachers. The airline industry wants to make sure that they are able to continue to offer cheap flights. So it goes on. Many people know that the EU has offered many benefits and they just can't afford to sit it out. They need to make plans now.

MaizieD Fri 16-Dec-16 08:09:37

We all know that the lemmings didn't jump voluntariky. They were pushed....

granjura Thu 15-Dec-16 17:08:50

what the lemmings said as they got closer and closer to that cliff, no?

Smileless2012 Thu 15-Dec-16 16:47:15

We'll have to deal with it wont we Maizie in the same way that those who wanted to leave would have had to continue dealing with being a member of the EU if the vote had gone the other way.

No one really knows how good or bad it's going to be, as roses said, we should wait and see what the reality of leaving the EU is going to bring about instead of all of this negative speculation.

MaizieD Thu 15-Dec-16 15:50:32

So what do we do if this 'speculation' turns out to be correct? Suck it up because by then we will have left the EU?

(Remember, we can't carry out any trade negotiations with countries currently covered by EU agreements until we've left)

rosesarered Thu 15-Dec-16 13:52:43

It's all 'could' and 'perhaps' and 'maybe' and 'if' though, that's the thing.Better to wait and find out what really will happen than Uncle Tom Cobbley and all , type of speculation.

MaizieD Thu 15-Dec-16 13:48:31

OK, try this one for size:

energydesk.greenpeace.org/2016/12/15/post-brexit-trade-deals-uk-sovereignty-ttip-tisa/

Leaving the European Union could make it harder for Britain to make its own laws, and may even prevent us from reaching our full potential.

Sure that’s the exact opposite of what we were told in the run up to the referendum, but it’s true.

rosesarered Thu 15-Dec-16 13:29:00

Nice to have BOTH sides represented on here.

MaizieD Thu 15-Dec-16 13:20:38

It's just that I spend most of my time responding to people who don't agree with me.

Well, it is a discussion, isn't it? Not an echo chamber.

Cunco Thu 15-Dec-16 11:52:30

POGS: I did read your post. It's just that I spend most of my time responding to people who don't agree with me. smile

I wonder sometimes, if the Devil said the sun was hot, whether people would disagree because they couldn't be seen agreeing with the Devil. Not that such a comment applies to Gransnet, of course!

POGS Thu 15-Dec-16 11:29:17

If you read my post Cunco I obviously agree with you.

Obama also stated other countries in NATO need to increase their financial contributions to NATO and the USA has a point.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/nato-summit-members-not-pulling-4156751

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