Berlin

We already have people landing illegally on the East Coast, because there is virtually no monitoring of that stretch of coast. How do you stop that, Terri? Germany has many more miles of borders.

After Brexit, UK border controls will have to move back to Dover and other ports in the UK- and the FRench won't be very active or keen to stop those who want to cross

We dont know that yet.
Part of the reason I dont post on Brexit threads normally. Everything is still very much up in the air.

And how do you stop them? The UK is an Island
By showing them that it is not financially in their best interest.

Virtually no monitoring of most of our coast! Shh!

ankers it probably won't be hard to show that

Why would the French want to keep our border post at Calais once we've left the EU?

There's nothing but bother in it for them and we would no longer be a partner in Europe. Just a little offshore island.

As for showing refugees that financially it's not in their interests? They don't really have much money so anything is better than nothing.

I cannot remember where I read it now but moves are already afoot to move the Calais border to UK. People will need a passport or visa but it depends who will be checking the papers. I think that there is some responsibility on the ferry and euro tunnel companies to check people before carrying them but they are not Border Control.

All roads lead to Brexit, it seems!

Yep they do indeed- the EU is cooperating very closely with the UK re border controls, acutally allowing the UK to have border checks for entrance into the UK in FRance - post Brexit this will no longer be the case. Why should they? This will actually increase illegal immigration, not reduce it.

So, back to the subject - how high to you want that fence - will you all be staying up all night and keep a vigil on the waters all around Britain? The Channel is not very wide you know.

Talk about heads in the sand - which beach is that btw?

'And how do you stop them? The UK is an Island
By showing them that it is not financially in their best interest.'

well that is working already with some East Europeans, as the £ is so low, it's hardly worth the sacrifice of being away from family, combined with the fact they do not feel welcome any more, nor safe. The economy going down the tube will be another factor- so in a way you are right.

For those coming from war torn areas- anything will be better than that- so it will make no difference to them.

Oh, my mistake. I thought this thread was supposed to be about the Berlin tragedy...

Could we not have Brexit on every thread please ?

I don't think I worded that question correctly

If you go back, it was deflected to immigration from Post 2- and then to immigration into UK. And what will happen to that is very much linked to ... you know what.

Which some people seem to be obsessed with.

Meanwhile the alleged perpetrator of the Berlin massacre, Anis Amri, is on the run and could be anywhere. I'd have thought the question of why people do this sort of thing was more important than Brexit.

Oh dear, I started this thread because I was horrified with what had happened and because I wanted to express my sadness at such evil in the midst of Christmas joy.

Does every thread have to turn into a political/Brexit fight?



My condolences to those who lost loved ones of all nationalities, to the injured and to the German people and may their hope in humanity not be destroyed.

It's all linked to immigration and asylum seekers, no?

In the meantime, Muslim families are beign stopped from visiting other parts of the world, and a young man and his friend are kicked off a plane for making a phone call on his mobile phone to his mum in arabic, and his friend too.

How far are we going to take vigilance?

No, it's about twelve people murdered in Germany, many more injured and the search for the murderer

No

It was a thread hoping that people would express some horror and condolences.

But that was probably rather naive of me.

Not everyone immediately thinks like that! Have you no compassion for the families of those killed in Berlin?

I'm off this thread - some people's priorities seem to be seriously warped to me.

(my post was in reply to the one before yours, Annie, of course)

I was horrified too, especially for those families that have been affected. Also for Angela Merkel - she's having a very rough time, and seemed to have offered a home to so many displaced people for the best of motives.
These big terrorist attacks can also have the effect of undermining the economy of the countries where they happen.

I think we were all horrified about Berlin * Jalima* - It was a dreadful thing and a subject very worthy of a thread and discussion - all those poor families.

I was thinking about the fact it appears the man was Tunisian or similar - I wondered if they had any right to go to France (like the Irish into England) because there was a great tie up with France and North African countries - many of them speak French. there must have been some reason he hoped he might get asylum somewhere.

So sad.

Where were the "stingers" and the barriers they brought in after Nice? Why do they forget so quickly?

Ana I just re-read the 3 pages- and you didn't post a word about your compassion for the victims.

No, I did come to the thread rather late.

I was actually keeping up with events on the news channel - but my first thoughts were for the victims and their families, not why Brexit is going to make illegal immigration to the UK easier!