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First blood to Trump

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whitewave Wed 04-Jan-17 06:03:50

Trump will be inaugurated in 16 days time. Ford has recognised this new era.

How will his Junta of advisors deal with the political world?

Will Trump continue to govern by twitter?

Will his erratic behaviour stop?

Will he be less muddled in his thinking?

What will happen to NATO and article 5?

Will the world survive his environmental policy - such that it is?

Will America be able to contain him?

Rigby46 Thu 19-Jan-17 00:26:41

But nothing like grabbing p***y,grin

Rigby46 Thu 19-Jan-17 00:33:00

And here's that disgraceful left wing Telegraph's take on it Mair

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/g20-summit/5091915/Michelle-Obama-hugs-the-Queen.html

Mair Thu 19-Jan-17 01:00:07

I thought we were comparing Michelle with Melania, Rigby, not with MR Trump!! shock

Lewlew Thu 19-Jan-17 09:45:14

Araabra I can't see poor (that's as in vulnerable to this new role) Melania strutting down Pa Ave in her stilettos.

The parade is going to be shorter, read that again. Saw in the Little I last night they were contemplating a parade in NYC originally?

But the Rockettes are in it... their boss is 'making them do it'!
(article from last month)

www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/playing-donald-trumps-inauguration-guide-line-up/

AlieOxon Thu 19-Jan-17 10:10:53

Check - she did not grab and kiss, she just placed a hand around her back.

Lewlew Thu 19-Jan-17 11:36:53

If you watch this video... HM put her arm round Michelle's back as well!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU_0hyjXRaM

Ginny42 Thu 19-Jan-17 13:25:49

I'd been saying there would be a news blackout in my house over the next few days as I can't bear to see the man.

I was watching one of my favourite programmes yesterday when the TV screen suddenly went black and nothing I did could get it back. So yes - there will definitely be a news blackout here. Serves me right! grin

Lewlew Thu 19-Jan-17 14:50:54

I can't believe we have given 20 pages to such a person... but it feels good to 'vent' all the uncertainty he's causing. confused

whitewave Thu 19-Jan-17 15:21:48

One of my points in the original OP related to environmental issues and Trump.

Well since my original post we now have information about the appointed cabinet and their likely attitude to the serious threat of global warming.

Rex Tillerson -chief executive of Exxon Mobil - appointed as Secretary of State. As CEO he brokered a deal with with the State owned company Rosneft to exploit the oil reserves in the Arctic, with all the accompanying risk. He was awarded the Russian Order of Fridndshipmby Putin.
The deal was stopped by the sanctions imposed by the US after Russia invaded Ukraine. Anyone like a bet on how soon these sanctions will be lifted? So if as it is now almost universally agreed Russia did interfere in the US elections, then it is going to be handsomely rewarded.

Rick Perry - the new energy secretary is a climate change denier, and has a long history of sponsorship by the fossil fuel industry. He famously said that this agency should be abolished

Senetor Jeff Sessions -attornybGeneral allegedly failed to disclose in his declaration of interests that he leases land to an oil company.

Scott Pruitt -to run the Environmental Protection Agency has spent most of his working life campaigning against the EPA. He has tried to strike down its Clean Power Act and its limits on heVy metals released by the coal industry into drinking water and wildlife.

So as America recedes into the past with its retrograde attitude, China invests massively in renewable, electric cars and battery technology.

Even Trumps promise of millions more jobs in the coal industry looks entirely unlikely as technology ensures that far less labour will be needed to shift the coal. Trumps intention to revive the coal industry will serve no one but the coal barons.

How does this affect the rest of the world?

Recent research suggests that if the drastic action of the kind postulated by the Paris agreement and signed up to by all the worlds big players is not taken, ice loses in Antarctica alone -and we've seen movement only this week here - could raise sea levels by a metre this century, and subsequently by 15 metres. Combine this with the melting in Greenland and the thermal expansion of sea water, you discover that many of the worlds cities are at risk.
The climatic disruption of crucial zones - in North and Central America, the Middle East, Africa and much of Asia, represent a security risk that could dwarf all others. These crises will be bigger than our capacity to absorb them - think Syria 100 fold.

If this happens it will amount to the greatest crime ever committed, and Trumps leading cabinet members are among the leading perpetrators.

With thanks to G Mombiot.

durhamjen Thu 19-Jan-17 18:39:23

One of the new leadership said yesterday that there's no need to worry about climate change - in fifty years time we'll know who was right!

durhamjen Thu 19-Jan-17 18:41:23

Did you notice, whitewave, that the British Antarctic pods have had to be moved because of an enormous crack in the ice appearing near it?

whitewave Thu 19-Jan-17 18:46:03

Yes I saw that about the Antarctic pod. All the stuff they hoped to do has been shelved. Did you see it? It is enormous. If that breaks off and melts - well you can understand the worry.

All the climate change deniers care about is profit. Their grandchildren can go to hell.

Iam64 Thu 19-Jan-17 19:53:48

I dont pretend to be either an economist or a scientist with knowledge of climate change. I hope however, that I'm open minded and listen to the arguments on both sides. I'll avoid the economy in this discussion but so far as climate change deniers are concerned - I wonder if ww is right and the only thing they care about is profit. The news about the Antarctic pod is significant and it does genuinely worry me that this is yet another issue where Trump is bad news, not just for the US but for the world. We may not like it but his influence will be huge.

whitewave Thu 19-Jan-17 20:07:11

In my life time I have watched the sea rising here on the South Coast. There is a tidal river we walk by every day and it has risen significantly in the past couple of decades. The Environment Agency has plans some which have already been implemented and some prepared for implementation.

I have recently been in conversation with people living in Africa, and just as we hear those people living in the Arctic climate change is indisputable, and is posing severe problems for these people at the extremes.

durhamjen Thu 19-Jan-17 22:51:17

Something to look at instead of all the Trump stuff.

www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jan/19/global-warning-live-from-the-climate-change-frontline-as-trump-becomes-president

daphnedill Thu 19-Jan-17 23:28:12

Thanks for the link. The government of Kiribati is so concerned that it's bought land in Fiji, in case they become 'climate refugees'.

Sorry to bring this back to Trump, but there's interesting bit in the article about Trump's promise to restore coal mining (presumably to win votes):

^Throughout his presidential campaign, Donald Trump promised to “save” coal mining, holding rallies where he mimed shoveling and accused Barack Obama of doing “everything he can to kill the coal industry”. Surrounded by advisers who oppose climate regulations, Trump will soon be able to hack through the rules put in place by Obama to curtail pollution. Saving coal, however, is likely out of beyond his powers.

The free market, far more than regulations, has done the work of killing coal. Despite Trump’s insistence that the US is struggling for energy, the natural gas industry has created a supply glut so significant it has cut deeply into the economies of entire nations, Saudi Arabia and Russia among them.

Coal couldn’t compete. Cheaper and cleaner than coal, though – not renewable or green – natural gas operations mushroomed all over the US over the last decade, so much so that they started creating earthquakes and short-lived boomtowns. Trump’s proposals would open up the US for even more gas exploration.^

durhamjen Fri 20-Jan-17 00:13:57

It's penguin awareness day today.

www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jan/19/global-warning-live-from-the-climate-change-frontline-as-trump-becomes-president?page=with:block-588144d2e4b01065cf5987e5#block-588144d2e4b01065cf5987e5

Actually, just realised that was yesterday!

Did you know that Trump has had a moth named after him?
www.ibtimes.co.uk/obsessed-bright-lights-very-irritating-flaps-lot-new-moth-species-named-after-donald-trump-1601776

daphnedill Fri 20-Jan-17 01:57:06

Trump appears to have stopped dying his hair and having that forward-facing quiff. I must admit it's an improvement. wink The stylists have done quite a good job with Melania too!

Iam64 Fri 20-Jan-17 08:31:15

Yes daphnedill, on a lighter note, let's hear it for the stylists grin

whitewave Fri 20-Jan-17 08:39:53

Lifted my spirits to hear the young people on television this morning who are taking part in the poster protest and women's march. Not only are they talking about Trump but they were keen to make it clear that they reject the far right politics spreading throughout Europe. The young are the future!! I have my eyes on the horizon.

Anya Fri 20-Jan-17 08:44:00

Not just the young Michael Moore, Robert de Niro and other big names are leading a big demonstration outside the White House today

Good for them!

whitewave Fri 20-Jan-17 08:52:34

It is so heartening to know that so many around the entire world care about love rather than hate. Inclusiveness not exclusiveness. This is the start of a movement that rejects such negativity, I fervently hope that it builds and builds and builds

Rhinestone Fri 20-Jan-17 11:52:14

I'm wearing black today for our loss of dignity, values, and morals. I have no choice but to hope I am wrong.

Lewlew Fri 20-Jan-17 12:29:38

But but but... will he stop Tweeting???? Hope he does not get to use Obama's POTUS. I understand that is Obama's personal account, not owned by the White House? Anyone know?

POGS Fri 20-Jan-17 12:33:26

'It is so heartening to know that so many around the entire world care about love rather than hate. Inclusiveness not exclusiveness. This is the start of a movement that rejects such negativity, I fervently hope that it builds and builds and builds'

I might agree if I didn't see hypocrisy in the whole 'Love not Hate' mantra at times, not only on the subject of Donald Trump.

Having read comments from those who will no doubt believe 'they' are belonging to that group/philosophy wishing the man, Donald Trump, was dead/shot/suffered, how is that showing 'Love Not Hate' for heavens sake?. confused

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