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Trident failure

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trisher Sun 22-Jan-17 11:17:39

I am completely against Trident anyway but surely the fact that they aren't even sure where the missile will go when it is used is a reason to abandon it now. As for covering up the botched launch, well it's what I expect from this government.

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 11:22:46

Did you see Theresa May on Marr?

She refused absolutely to answer his question about whether she knew about the botched launch when Trident was discussed in Parliament.

vampirequeen Sun 22-Jan-17 11:31:15

So we're spending all this money on WMD which don't even go where we send them whilst our NHS, education and social care systems are collapsing due to lack of funding.

Not surprised the government hid this failed test. This and previous governments have hidden a lot of things they didn't want us to know.

Who knew that each test missile costs £17 million? Would people be so keen on it if they realised that? Would MPs have voted for a system that can't even be proven to work?

Time to rethink and abandon Trident. We have lots of more pressing things to spend our money on. Things that our people need now not in a hypothetical future.

vampirequeen Sun 22-Jan-17 11:36:57

And remember Donald Trump has his finger on our button. Do you really trust him to care about us? He was clear in his inauguration speech. America first. If it suits him he will happily see us die horrible deaths provided it helps America.

Do you really trust someone who said his country is protected by the men and women of Law Enforcement, the men and women of the Armed Forces and by God?

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 11:48:27

That's what worries me most about him.

Luckygirl Sun 22-Jan-17 12:02:35

Lord above! - it just gets worse and worse.

MaizieD Sun 22-Jan-17 12:49:15

I think they'll just spend more money trying to rectify the fault.

vampirequeen Sun 22-Jan-17 12:50:04

All governments since Thatcher have talked about the 'special relationship'. I can't help feeling that all that means is that we'll end up the patsy when the time comes. Better for the USA if the bombs to fall on us rather than them. We're Airstrip One but instead being used to fight a war for Big Brother we'll be doing it for the USA.

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 12:54:38

Andrew Neil asked if anyone knew where it was, and if so could they let us know, please.

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 12:56:32

Corbyn wants another debate in parliament about it. Much more important for May to have a special relationship with Trump than discuss Trident.

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 13:23:23

Mays silence on Marr shows that she knew. First instinct is to keep quiet. Not always a good strategy as it makes you look weak when you are forced to speak.

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 13:37:06

She looked very rattled.

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 13:39:45

I thought she looked and sounded on the defensive for the entire interview.

vampirequeen Sun 22-Jan-17 13:49:10

Well how dare the plebs want to know the truth!!! We should be happy to accept as Gospel anything the government tells us.

trisher Sun 22-Jan-17 14:54:32

I think she knew. Andrew Neil made me laugh- "Please can we have our missile back?" If it wasn't so scary it would be hilarious. Somebody on another thread posted about the Navy Lark this is real life imitating it!

Anya Sun 22-Jan-17 15:05:51

If she's got any political acumen now's the chance to put a hold on Trident until a full report is out on this incident. That should see out her government and put the onus on the next/her successor to decide.

M0nica Sun 22-Jan-17 18:23:43

Hang on, how many Trident test firings have there been over the course of the use of this weapon, 100's?, 1,000s? And one went wrong, that we know of.

Looking at this statistically, and only statistically, to me it seems it is a reliable weapon.

Anya Sun 22-Jan-17 19:08:46

Apparently they only tested it once in four years I read. So not often M0nica*

"The Trident ballistic missile was set to be tested for the first time in four years by the HMS Vengeance last June off the Florida coast, according to the Sunday Times"

trisher Sun 22-Jan-17 19:11:25

M0nica this was the only firing for four years-and it went wrong. Statistically then over 5years 100% failure rate. Even if you say it was fired every 4 years since 1994 and it is the only failure (and how would we know) that is still a 1 in 5 failure rate. The expense jut can't be justified.

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 19:20:38

Just 520 civilian jobs rely on Trident at Faslane. Expensive jobs.

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 19:31:41

Taking back control?

Araabra Sun 22-Jan-17 19:43:11

"Time to rethink and abandon Trident. We have lots of more pressing things to spend our money on. Things that our people need now not in a hypothetical future."

Needing extreme austerity it seems the Trident would be abandoned.

vampirequeen Mon 23-Jan-17 09:20:13

Successive governments seem to be still tied into the Great Britain 'the great power' idea. We're not the ruler of a large empire anymore, we don't have the largest navy in the world, we don't rule the skies and we don't have the largest army. The time has come to see ourselves for what we are i.e. a little, prosperous island country off the coast of mainland Europe. We don't need our own nuclear deterrent. The USA, Russia and China have more than enough to destroy the world many times over. We're supposed to come under the USA nuclear umbrella which no doubt means we'll be killed by friendly fire before anyone else even hits their buttons anyway.

It's time we thought of the people who are living here now and stop preparing for some hypothetical future in which we help to kill millions of people and destroy our planet.

annodomini Mon 23-Jan-17 10:20:25

I've heard various sums mentioned as the cost of our Trident programme, possible the most reliable being £205 billion. What could the NHS and Social Care system do with this kind of cash?

annodomini Mon 23-Jan-17 10:20:52

possible possibly