UKIP leader

I have just decided to resign from GN, but I can't let that total load of bo**ocks go without being challenged.

I did my PGCE in the early 1980s at Goldsmiths in South East London and visited many schools in South and East London during my training year. There were many schools which already had a minority of 'white British'. On the whole, the top sets were populated with pupils from Asian backgrounds. I lived in East Ham and I was one of the few 'white' people in the area.

If you want to find 'indigenous Londoners' you only need to venture out a few miles to south Essex. So-called indigenous Londoners migrated to the suburbs for a better life. I worked in south Essex during my early career and brown and black faces were rare. Populations have always moved in a similar way.

Don't expect a reply, because I will have gone.

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Exactly gilly spend the money and equilibrium is maintained. Blaming the children is ridiculous. The parents work in the NHS service industries and agriculture so their children must be educated.

MB

I am still waiting for you to find a non faith inner London secondary school where native British are the majority ethnic group.

The problem is though Ginny42 is you cannot move the North to the South just as you cannot move The Middle East to Europe.

There have been ample opportunities for successive governments to help with job distribution but they have not done so. Instead they continue to feed the already very fat cow that is London. More jobs, more people, more cars, more houses, more trains, more planes etc.

"Blaming the children is ridiculous"

WW who is "blaming" children for anything?!?!

I lived in East Ham and I was one of the few 'white' people in the area

What rubbish!
I taught in East Ham in the 80s and it was NOT majority Asian!
There were lots of Asians, and many Asian shops to be sure but it was still majority British. You may have lived in a very Asian street but that wasnt the case across the area.

Newham’s ethnic minority population has gone up 128 percent—between 1991 and 2011.

But why does it matter?

London is a very successful and very diverse city. (Just like the USA is successful and very diverse country - and there are parallels...).
In the many periods of London's expansion, the city has sucked in economic migrants from outside its boundaries.
In Pepys's day the child mortality rate was so high that they needed incomers to maintain numbers.
After various plagues people flocked in to fill the void.
Hugenots, Jews and other groups arrived from Europe fleeing from persecution. Irish, Scots and Welsh, fleeing other types of persecution and lack of opportunity.
Charles Dickens writes about it, (in Dombey and Son I think.)
After the second world war, many were persuaded to come here from the colonies to receive a chilly welcome. "No Blacks, No Dogs No Irish" appeared in many a window. Without them the NHS. London Transport etc would have been impossible to run. Their children are now contributing to many walks of life.
London is still growing - you only have to go there to see the amount of construction.
In many ways it is a wonderful place. The election of Sadiq Khan was a bright moment last year, as was the graceful and inclusive way he took up office.
If all the immigrants, children of immigrants and grandchildren of immigrants in London went on strike for a day, everything would have to close. From the Houses of Parliament to the humblest catering outlet. All the hospitals, all the transport and all the offices would be unable to function and do their work.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this diversity in my book. Any more than there is nothing wrong with the USA being made up of people from many and varied backgrounds and being proud of it.
The only wrong thing is that large slabs of the UK are getting left behind economically. And that successive governments have been too laissez faire in their approach to housing.

"No Blacks, No Dogs No Irish" appeared in many a window

Nobody has ever provided any evidence for this. There was one photograph (possibly set up) of a sign which was promoted in the left wing media and has entered the urban mythology, no others. I I have asked several people who could have seen such a sign if they ever did (my OH had a number of Irish relatives who worked in London, and none ever had personal experience of it).

If such signs ever appeared they were rare indeed!

Even from a practical viewpoint they would have been unlikely as the areas where black 'forerunners' settled were Notting Hill and later Brixton and Finsbury Park, not the areas where Irish were settling.

Do not believe everything the media tells you Jess!

If all the immigrants, children of immigrants and grandchildren of immigrants in London went on strike for a day, everything would have to close

Red herring alert.
Nobody is suggesting deporting all existing immigrants, let alone their descendents!

@Mair
I have already named 3 secondary schools but am not prepared to engage further in an increasingly racist argument. I do not think multiculturalism is a bad thing, in any case, my own first language was German so I suppose I might have been my own little one girl ethnic minority. But I think your definition of "immigrants" is increasingly suspect and of itself negative so there is little basis for discussion.
You and UKIP have your own agenda (possibly also Britain First and other equally dubious organisations) , so be it, fine. I wouldn't give that political party the time of day and have no desire to listen to them.

You are really on a roll today aren't you mair? Every single post is spewing veiled hate and racism. No wonder people are resigning or thinking of resigning. Go on and you will be talking to yourself

That ambiguous phrase, 'native Brits' again. If you were born here, your parents and you have worked here, paid taxes, then you are British, native or not. You are entitled to a British passport. Most of us, sometime in the past, have probably got migrant ancestors. How far back in the family tree do you have to go to become 'native'? I guess I am as near as anyone to being 'native' but suspect some of my ancestors came over with the Normans - Oh dear! Others, from the Western Isles, could well have Viking blood. On the other hand, it's said that many of us have traces of Neanderthal DNA!

"No Blacks, No Dogs No Irish"

Nobody has ever provided any evidence for this. There was one photograph (possibly set up) of a sign which was promoted in the left wing media and has entered the urban mythology, no others. I I have asked several people who could have seen such a sign if they ever did (my OH had a number of Irish relatives who worked in London, and none ever had personal experience of it

Maybe somebody should have gone to Specsavers. Just because you/they didn't see something doesn't mean it didn't exist.
This is getting like Trump's perspective on the absence of crowds at his inauguration - equally ludicrous.

MB
I apologise for having missed your three schools.

Crown Woods, Thomas Tallis and John Rown

Will try to look at those later as you dont seem to have actually provided the ethnic data figures.

Just noted Crown wood is a primary.
Will look at the other two

<sigh>

Stationers' Crown Woods Academy is a coeducational secondary school and sixth form with academy status, located in the Eltham area of the Royal Borough of Greenwich in London, England. Wikipedia
Founded: 1958

I'm catching up during a mid day break. I've never seen any one posting such negative, deliberately provocative and carefully veiled racism as Mair. I hope daphne isn't driven away. Many regulars seem to be leaving, avoiding joining this kind of dire offensive drivel,

Daphne has gone -she feels that the racism and hate being allowed free reign together with the very nasty remarks made to her is something she no longer wishes to deal with. I know of others thinking exactly the same
It is such a shame as although we have always had a very robust political section, it has never had so much veiled hate and racism as we have experienced over the past few months.

"I've never seen any one posting such negative, deliberately provocative and carefully veiled racism as Mair."

That is really offensive Iam!

Discussing the changing ethnic make up of London is NOT RACIST!

That is a vile comment from you.

It seems to me that hate and racism is only very thinly veiled. I think this comes from someone who is a big fan of shock jock Katie Hopkins.

WW

Daphne dishes out enough nasty remarks herself. She can hardly complain if people react sometimes.

I have received loads of nasty remarks but I try my best to remain polite at all times, and I believe I usually do.

Varian

No racism/hate from me. To want British culture to remain dominant in ones own country is not 'racist'.
I want the same for every other country too. Katie Hopkins isnt the least bit 'racist' either.

Yes mair you keep your bile for immigrants don't you, in the hope you can convince a gullible gran to blame them for all the UKs ills -well I've got news for you - someone who believes in the madness of globalist world takeover will never be taken seriously.