UKIP leader

whitewave getting back to the OP - it is all going to depend on how he campaigns as UKIP leader in a constituency which voted decisively to leave the EU.

If he concentrates on that and on people's fears (which may be unfounded) then he will, undoubtedly, win.

They will skim over the points raised in your OP for sure.

I think that the 60s and70s was the happiest time for our generation. There was still that idea of inclusiveness and society, that helps oil the wheels.
I remember it as being a happy time personally in some ways, but:

a) finding work was difficult, DH was out of work for 4 months (a very worrying time and we had to move away from where we loved)
b) it may have been happy for many of us because it may have been when our DC were born
c) there was no internet (although there were computers) so people were more insular and not able to express grievances etc online with the world
d) it was also a time when Local Government was reorganised and I remember a lot of 'snouts in the trough' when that took place. I was not one of them so did not benefit.

Perhaps we were happier because we knew no better? We did not have so much access to other people's opinions except through the media, tv, newspapers, radio.

Everything crossed then. An alliance has been suggested before makes a lot of sense

There are alliance talks , at grass roots levels, between Labour & Lib Dems to stand aside a candidate so as not to split the vote and to create a credible against the more right wing candidates.

I've been following the story on C4 news ( which is the only news worth watching IMO). Michael Crick has led on this - it's too late for him to be taken off the ballot paper but disqualification following the election is a possibility

Which was even worse btw

Yes Ana I did - that's what reminded me about the Smethwick example

petra I think time will sort that out. The young are being integrated, and it will get better with each generation.

I lived in woolwich and Greenwich for the first 23 years of my life. As far as I could see there was no problem with black people. Most of them were from the carribean so they spoke the language and had similar values and way of life to us.
The problems were with Asian people who didn't seem to want to mix.

I assume if Nuttall is found guilty, he won't be able to stand?

Did you not see Penstemmon's post of 16.52 Rigby46?

Smethwick constituency 1964 General Election - Tory slogan 'if you want a n*** for a neighbour, vote Labour'

I have just read that Staffordshire Police are investigating claims that Ukip leader Paul Nuttallclaimed a house he was not living in was his home address on his nomination papers for a crunch by-election. If it is proved to be true that he falsified his nomination paper his name might not be on the ballot paper.

If so with the continuous local bye election swings to the Lib Dems are we going to see another backlash to Corbyn with Lib Dems benefitting?

Brinsworth & Catcliffe (Rotherham) result yesterday 2/2/2017

LDEM: 66.0% (+50.4)
LAB: 17.1% (-26.2)
UKIP: 12.8% (-16.4)
CON: 3.0% (-8.8)
GRN: 1.0% (+1.0)



Thanks Welshwife. I guess black faces were also a problem at the time. Londoners are much more cosmopolitan and open minded these days.
I thought KH had made a career out of shocking racism. And she gets paid, which is even more shocking.
Such as this horrible example:
www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hopkins-twitter-apology-muslim-family-extremism-links-mail-online-column-a7484436.html

It's interesting isn't it. From time to time we get new members on GN who think that "grans" are gullible and not very quick on the uptake.

One of the classic tools of racism (or other forms of prejudice) is to make sweeping stereotypical statements. If their prejudice is sexist they say things such as "Women are no good at maths" or "All women like spending their husband's money" or "women are taking all the university places".
We are not fooled.

OMG

This appalling poster is from South London Conservative party campaign in the 1960s.

Mair you claim that Katie Hopkins is not racist. Really???

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/outrage-as-katie-hopkins-shares-neonazi-praise-after-racism-debate-a3430926.html

Well Mair exactly what would your 'British" values consist of and how far back do you intend to go? Personally I think Britain has in the past been enriched by other cultures and continues to be so. One good example might be the English language which contains so many words from other languages and which as result has become so rich and varied. Would you for example remove the many words from India which we have assimilated? Words like bungalow, shampoo and pyjamas? It's impossible of course and so is unpicking the culture we now live with and going back to some imaginary time when we were in some way 'purer' and less diverse than we are now.

@mair so presumably your post of 10.54 was deleted for what reason? Cruelty to fluffy kittens
We have seen some ugly language and even uglier attitudes this morning.

That was to mair

I think your posts will stand for themselves and prove you wrong on that one.

I saw many of these signs when I lived in West London in the early sixties and then when I travelled further into London visiting relatives. These notices were hand written and in the front sitting room window of houses. A great problem for many people was the fact that many immigrants from Asia and Carribean countries cooked spicy food and the aroma of this food permeated many places and was difficult to get rid of. At that time there were few Indian and Chinese restaurants in UK. Nowadays it would cause far less of a problem.
Because you did not see these signs really does not mean they did not exist.

NO WW no 'bile' towards immigrants from me.
Dont tell lies.
You may not share my politcal views but that doesnt permit you to lie.

What a relief!!

Anyway enjoy your chat RL calls...