UKIP leader

rose your point about immigration. I agree, but my point is that unless May or any government tackle the issues that allows UKIP in to cause division and strife, it will be a very uncomfortable time indeed.

That WW is in not insubstantial part because the Labour Government poured money into areas where the immigrants were, for ideological reasons. They spent an absolute fortune on schools in London for example while rural schools in places like Lincolnshire were left with nothing
Yeah, right.
The huge"indigenous" population of London as opposed to relatively underpopulated Lincolnshire or N Norfolk for instance wouldn't have anything to do with it I suppose.
But never let the facts get in the way of propaganda a good anecdote.

Actually my children are both in their 30's roses I had my son when I was only 18 and my daughter when I was 24 .

Same here rose average 3bed semi nearer 400k what on earth would a first time buyer have to be earning!!! So they can't afford house in the. South because they don't earn enough. And they can't afford a house in the north because they don't earn enough. Madness.

It will take ages for immigration to lessen, of course, but eventually will be at what this country needs.We may not be here by then, but that doesn't matter.

I agree ww that it would be nonsense to say 'get on your bike' nowadays, because housing costs down here are astronomical, and the salary would have to more than compensate for that.
I was thinking of our DC generation gilly the thirty somethings, and you were obviously meaning early twenties.Yes, here you need two people in reasonably well paid jobs to get a mortgage, there is nothing much under £300,000 here for sale where I live.Most are considerably more than that.
Regeneration has come to some areas ( I am told) but yet not to others.

trish you just have to hold on to what you know to be true. That causing distrust and division will be nothing but disastrous. The white paper makes it clear (and it will be undoubtedly topic for many Brexiters) that immigration will not lesson any time soon and certainly not in the foreseeable future, the way is to bring greater prosperity to those areas suffering the most deprivation. i think May has begun to recognise this let's hope the budget starts the practicalities.

Trish
Would they still be regarded as 'different' OK they might have spoken the same language but I have a feeling they would still be regarded with distrust!
Very possibly. Is there anything wrong with that? Why should people welcome stable established communties with high levels of social cohesion and low crime being undermined by massiv numbers of nwcomers? It is not a 'good thing'!

However you surely acknowledge, that if, let us say ,large numbers of Scots had moved to Lincoln rather than A8s, then they would far more readily assimilate. They would speak English, share the same habits and be keen to intermingle with the locals in a way most of the A8s are not. The smaller the cultural gulf, the easier it is bridged. I suggest that if the incomers were say Danes or Dutch, they would also assimilate far more easily. They tend to speak English well, and share the same religion or none.

I always wonder about the outcry about immigrants in Lincolnshire, being as how the place is probably one of the most isolated and individual places in the UK would it have mattered if the incomers had been from anywhere-even other parts of the UK? Would they still be regarded as 'different' OK they might have spoken the same language but I have a feeling they would still be regarded with distrust!
UKIP terrifies me, I just hope that they will disappear into the ether when we have Brexited and they have no one to blame.

WW
The blame does lie squarely with 'others' the metropolitan ruling elite, not just the politicians but also the globalist broadcasting media, the judiciary and the EU.

gilly true, it is reflected in the cost of houses between the north and south.

That WW is in not insubstantial part because the Labour Government poured money into areas where the immigrants were, for ideological reasons. They spent an absolute fortune on schools in London for example while rural schools in places like Lincolnshire were left with nothing.

You can only get a mortgage if you have a steady, decently paid job though roses so the interest rates are irrelevant.

And because there is this disparity you get opportunists like UKIP trying to cause division identifying the problem on "others" rather than the real cause.

But rose it is all about expectations and the society you live in. That is how people measure their lot, not in comparison to history (for them!) When I was young it was all about, yes the mortgage, but also about getting hold of a colour tv or car. But the point is that everyone I knew was the same, and giilies point is that it isn't the same for the young. The north is far less affluent than the south and jobs impossible to get. They cant all get on their bikes, that is a silly argument. So you have one area of the country where jobs are relatively easy to obtain, where there has been investment by government over the years in infrastructure etc. Look at Heathrow, and the north that gets precious little and when it does it is a bloody train to take everyone south.

whitewave
I think that the 60s and70s was the happiest time for our generation. There was still that idea of inclusiveness and society, that helps oil the wheels

Before mass immigration...

I was a teenager in the 70's (born in 1962) they were the happiest days of my life.

My DH is 65 roses He is young for his age (if you see what I mean) at 55 I am old for my age so maybe we meet in the middle. The age gap is a problem as you get older especially when it comes to retirement/pensions. DH will be 78 when/if I get my state pension.

And, roses, they all seem to have cars these days whereas in our day it still wasn't that common, especially for women.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a-lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a6838041.html

Boston: How a Lincolnshire town became 'the most divided place in England'
Policy Exchange report names town the least integrated in the country after huge numbers of arrivals from eastern Europe

If they hadn't changed the goal posts gillybob would have been an o a p at 60.

gillybob
We have very few immigrants here. There just aren't enough jobs around to go round

That doesnt always stop them coming and taking the various seasonal low paid jobs that locals are reluctant to take because the hassle of coming off benefits make it not worthwhile.

An example would be Lincolnshire, always a low paid area but with seasonal agricultural work. It barely had any immigrants before and has suffered a massive invasion of Eastern Europeans completely changing the character of the area, by most accounts for the worse.

And of course immigrants do not want to do grim jobs for ever! After they become established the newcomers start to compete with locals for the very few better paid jobs available.

I think there have actually been studies done to show this to be so I.e. 70s happiest time.

You are young gilly
The good things ( for the younger generation) is that mortgage interest rates have been so very low for such a long time, think how high they were for us when we were younger, some months, after paying the mortgage and utilities there was little left over.
And the other thing is that for a lot of people, they can now work from home, at least for several days a week ( not all jobs naturally) something unknown in the past.

I think that the 60s and70s was the happiest time for our generation. There was still that idea of inclusiveness and society, that helps oil the wheels.

Socialists in particular should strongly oppose the importation of immigrants to create a labour market glut which holds wages down. This is precisely what has happened since 2004 when the A8 influx started.

Keir Hardy was fiercely anti immigration and believed that employment of foreigners by British employers should be prohibited, unless they were refugees or if they came from countries where the wage rates were the same as in Britain.