Melania and equality

Otherwise, case closed, move on ( to more bitching about Melania Trump.)

Yes, Melania Trump who lied in court about having a degree. It's called perjury in this country,and gets a prison snetence.

sentence, sorry.

You could do a citizens arrest durhamjen when she comes over to see the Queen

Yes, she really shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Lying about Having a Degree...shock, horror!

Is lying really no big deal? I was brought up to believe lying was wrong, but I suppose even people of our generation have different moral standards.

My grandchildren are brought up to believe that lying is wrong, and that we are all equal whatever our race or religion.
Very difficult to explain about Trump and his wife.

Good to see you valuing all the hard work that goes into people getting degrees, Ana. I presume most people who have degrees do not like those who lie about it.
Anyone in your family got a degree?

Oh for goodness sake nightowl it's nothing to do with 'moral standards' but everything to do with sneering at Melania Trump.

Get off your high horse.

It is, Ana. Not surprised you can't see it, though.

I'm showing compassion towards Melania - shame you can't do the same.

What? I'm sure she will be very grateful.
I do feel sorry for her being married to Donald. I don't feel sorry for her lying and being found out.
You wouldn't feel the same if someone on benefits lied, would you? I haven't noticed your compassion there, where it's needed.

I don't know what you mean about someone on benefits lying.

Why is compassion needed in that instance? Is lying OK when you're on benefits, but not otherewise? What an odd moral compass you have...

No, I've said that people shouldn't lie.
If you think it's okay for Melania to lie, is it okay for those on benefits to lie?

Oh dear dear dear roses - please don't tell me you really think I don't know what the pathetic phrase 'man up' means? And I got the kettle/pan/pot phrase wrong. Well at least I didn't think that the Lib Dem peers were in the majority in the Lords. This thread is just a bit tedious now - I couldn't give a flying fig about the appearance of any FLOTUS but making up qualifications you haven't got is at best stupid and at worst deceitful. I think I'll go and play with the grown ups for a bit now on MN

I don't recall the posters who are slating Melania for lying doing the same when it came to adult migrants claiming to be children to gain access to this country.
So it's ok to lie sometimes if it suits your cause. But in the case of 'some' posters, their cause.

Mind how you go on Mumsnet! Libel laws and all that.

Petra I have never seen worse bitching about a woman who has done no harm to anybody ,in all my life, yes you're right there in your last sentence.

Well..what a thread. I, andI assume everyone on here is the same, do not know MT or DT personally. DT I feel I can make some judgements on. He has said enough on public stages for me to know we are poles apart on most core values.

Melania, imo, must agree with many of his opinions. As someone has said she is not unintelligent,though seems to have a poor sense of judgement as her choice of partner and the lie about her academic qualification illustrates. She will have known what it meant to be First lady/what he is like as a person. What she lookes like , wears etc. should not be up for comment. Actions and words are what anyone should be judged on.

So far I am completely distressed and rather afraid by her husbands words and actions.

How many women fall in love with someone that the rest of womankind would find questionable and would not touch with a bargepole?
How many times have any of you said 'what on earth does she see in him, he's awful'.

"So far I am completely distressed and rather afraid by her husbands words and actions"

That should allow you to empathise with the feelings of millions of Germans about their leaders words and actions - which directly affect their lives and their families.

You concerns about Trump are comparatively shallow. I doubt you've lost a single nights sleep over it, or ever will!

How nasty, mair. Expected, though.

I admit I have never heard Melania Trump speak in public apart from the Michelle Obama repetition, so I have no idea how supportive or otherwise she may be about her husband's weird ideas and plans. I also understand that wives will often remain with and support husbands who are abusive, unfaithful and appalling in all sorts of ways, through fear, through worry about financial difficulties, through insecurity, because they have a child or children or for any number of personal reasons.

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone leaving or divorcing a husband for reasons of political disagreement, particularly when they have a very comfortable life – or is that a rather nasty comment?

Some, possibly many, people manage to disagree in a civilised way. I reckon that's usually all there is to it.

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Petra I have never seen worse bitching about a woman who has done no harm to anybody ,in all my life, yes you're right there in your last sentence

Thirded!!

It's ironic given that Melania is an immigrantt to the USA, and in these circumstances the spiteful comments about her English and IQ were arguably racist.

Were she of any skin tone but 'white' the usual culprits would not have dared spew a word of this bile against her. Some of the comments should have been removed.

I would have Melania Trump has a wonderful life surrounded by her loving family and living in luxury, unlike most of us oaps on here living on state pension.