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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

Ana Mon 30-Jan-17 11:32:42

I suppose the Student Loan Company covers itself for non-repayment of loans and/or interest by insurance. Bet the premiums are high!

Mair Mon 30-Jan-17 14:11:57

Ana said

I thought we were talking about students who just disappeared at the end of their course, and didn't make any interest payments, never mind the capital

We are. I dont know where Daphne has got her deluded notions that EU students who do not pay back the capital are nevertheless happily paying back interest!
As if!!!!! hmm

Mair Mon 30-Jan-17 14:27:45

Jess said

Yes indeed its all foreign students but the EU students spend their money the same and non EU
Youd need to provide evidence for that claim.
You see Jess there are important differences, most Third country nationals who come here to study at university are from well off families, not all, but many.
EU students on the other hand pay lower fees , can get a student loan if theyve been here three years, and also are free to work while studying. They dont need to be wealthy. If they are supported by monies earned in this country they are not foreign currency earners, thus are NO BENEFIT.

And remember that the vast majority do not have a student loan

Again you need to provide evidence???
Many come here and work for a few years learning English and building up 'residency' so they can get a student loan.

And dont ignore the availability of the many 'racist' scholarships and bursaries historically available to numerous named BME groups but not native Brits (or unfavoured ethnic groups). They would be illegal today but apparently are acceptable when set up under historical legacies.

varian Tue 31-Jan-17 14:01:04

Before voting to trigger Article 50, MPs would do well to reflect on how many of the 37% of the electorate who voted to leave actually believed these assurances that we would not be leaving the single market. I think they should listen to these lies and ask how many of the 37% were taken in by them.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britain-video-single-market-nigel-farage-anna-soubry_uk_582ce0a0e4b09025ba310fce

whitewave Tue 31-Jan-17 14:03:42

Thought Ken Clarke's speech was good

Mair Tue 31-Jan-17 14:06:51

Ken Clarke is surely Britains most arrogant pompous patronising politician.

rosesarered Tue 31-Jan-17 14:11:33

I am afraid ( even if he is saying something reasonably sensible, which he does every so often) I cannot stand Ken Clarke ! A case of instant hackles.grin

whitewave Tue 31-Jan-17 14:11:52

You would say that wouldn't you grin how about hge he surely qualifies.

Good orator I thought. All power to his elbow.

rosesarered Tue 31-Jan-17 14:29:06

Why would I ( or Mair ) say that? hmm
Ken Clarke just happens to be a patronising smug git.

rosesarered Tue 31-Jan-17 14:30:33

Even if he spoke in favour of leaving the EU he would still be a patronising smug git.

durhamjen Tue 31-Jan-17 18:00:49

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For those who agree with Trump. Were you there, any of you?

whitewave Tue 31-Jan-17 18:03:08

djgrin

rosesarered Tue 31-Jan-17 18:11:14

Doubt there are any on Gransnet WW

whitewave Tue 31-Jan-17 18:15:40

Are you sure rose?

Ana Tue 31-Jan-17 18:19:58

Why is it any of your our business whether any GN members were there? confused

Anniebach Tue 31-Jan-17 18:36:27

I like Ken Clarke,

Jalima Tue 31-Jan-17 18:50:53

Well, there were more supporters than policemen!

Getting very wet by the look of them.

rosesarered Tue 31-Jan-17 19:03:41

Are you still looking for confrontation ww?

whitewave Tue 31-Jan-17 19:10:09

confused

Mair Tue 31-Jan-17 21:16:58

The Nigel Farage show on LBC was excellent tonight. He had been doing some research on the people who signed the anti Trump visit petition.

Apparently some 90% of signatories were the same people!
Also 90% came from a few geographhical areas London, Brighton, Cambridge, Oxford and E'burgh (who'd 'ave thunked it).

Is that little red spot in the north DurhamJen? hmm

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/remainers-trump-haters-are-the-same/

Even more interesting one caller pointed out that as you dont have to give your real address only email, people can sign up under any number of aliases.

Mair Tue 31-Jan-17 21:18:30

Correction

Apparently some 90% of signatories were the same people as signed the anti article 50 one!

rosesarered Tue 31-Jan-17 21:28:20

Ah well, that's sometimes the problem, email only.
There are a lot of students in the cities you mention.Hard to verify anybody on email or phone.
I don't like Trump ( him or Clinton were a poor choice) but the Americans elected him after all.Now he has to be lived with.

Mair Tue 31-Jan-17 21:58:18

I don't like Trump ( him or Clinton were a poor choice)

Agree with you, but a 'nice' person couldnt stand up to the Bilderberg and media bullies If theyre not to get all their own way only someone who's a bit of an egomaniac could do it, and theyre doing their utmost to destroy him with the full support of the British media too. He's in great danger.

Glamorousgray Tue 31-Jan-17 22:13:22

Varian
37% of the electorate who voted to leave
I have never posted on these political threads before, but I do read them with interest. I voted remain but am fed up with seeing comments re the percentage of votes that imply the majority did not vote leave. Of those that voted, as been noted numerous times, 52% voted leave, 48% voted remain and if 29% of those eligible to vote didn't - how does anyone know what/who they would have voted for. Okay, will go back to anonymity now.

trisher Tue 31-Jan-17 22:16:56

I like Ken Clarke and loved his metaphor that we were jumping down the rabbit hole and expecting Wonderland at the end!