Article 50

If you don't want us to remain in the Single Market, Mair, why did you post your comment of 9.58?

I suspect youve read the article quickly and been misled by the measured tones of his wording. This man is an EU fanatic who wants to keep us out of the single market!

I inferred from that that you did want to stay in the Single Market after Brexit. I apologise if I have misread you.

Let's put it another way, then, Mair.

What sort of trading relationship with the EU would you want after Brexit?

Yes MD it was an incorrect inference, though not an unreasonable one.
A good trading deal, something like the Canada deal perhaps, but I am no expert.

I don't agree with "The Remainers want to remain in the EU with the same conditions as we have" Welshwife.

Not all who voted remain thought it was fine as it was and many who voted leave where not extreme either and will be aware that we need to negotiate a position that is good for both the EU and the UK.

The fight is currently being re-run over and over by the extremes but I would take a small bet on the majority not be extreme in either direction and just hoping it all works out for the best.

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Good post GG. Many people are very uncertain about where thy stand on the EU. In or out its uncertain, many dont like the way the EU is going and they are in an economic mess, but they fear the even greater short to medium turn uncertainty of leaving.

There is no doubt the 'safest' short term option is Remain, but that doesn't apply beyond about 2020.

Correction 'medium term'

Mair, the long term future of the EU is exactly what concerns me. Short to medium I'm sure it's fine and would be the easy safe option, but!!! I fervently feel that long term we are much better outside this organisation as I have a bad feeling as to how things may be in 10 - 15 years time, who will be running
things, the European equivalent of D. Trump? What will we inevitably have to agree to despite present day reassurances? No good then sighing and wringing our hands! All those years ago I voted for a trade agreement, nothing else, and I would be perfectly happy to abide by that today.

* nigglenellie* I think the 10-15 years is immaterial, it won't exist. More and more people in Europe are waking up. Now that they have seen project fear didn't materialise, many of them will go for it.

You're probably right petra! At least we won't be in the centre of any ensuing mayhem, we'll have been there, done that and be sailing our own ship!

Article 50 has not been enacted yet in the EU. We have no idea what the other countries will allow us to do after next month. How can you say project fear didn't materialise?

Yes, it's obvious that some are still hoping that it will. Wonder why?

Mark Carney has had to 're think' his economic forecast twice since 23rd June and by his own admittance "he got it wrong"
The £ didn't fall off a cliff as predicted, we didn't go to hell in a hand cart and DC predicted that it could start ww3 and unemployment is still going down.
I suppose that if one were desperate they could blame the shortage of lettuce and courgettes on brexit, but that would be stretching it

Yes Ana Why would you want your country to fail just for the sake of being right.

Mair my post to JessM saying ' yes, you got that right' was not about the EU, but the previous post about Scotland.Wouldn't it be great if we had a reply with quote facility.Save any confusion.

Predicting WW111 was really very very naughty, I've heard of the powers of persuasion, but, apart from being ridiculous, to even suggest that sort of fear was downright reprehensible in the extreme. We knew it was the politics of desparation, but some were genuinely very frightened.

Mair my post to JessM saying ' yes, you got that right' was not about the EU, but the previous post about Scotland.Wouldn't it be great if we had a reply with quote facility.Save any confusion

Then my apologies Roses for correcting what I misconstrued as an error!

Yes a quote facility would be great!
I just use bold but that can confuse too.

Petra said

I suppose that if one were desperate they could blame the shortage of lettuce and courgettes on brexit, but that would be stretching it grin

I am sure some of the Bremoaners are doing that Petra - Spaniards keeping the vegies for themselves and serve us horrible Brits right since we've upset the poor dear Marias and Antonios!

The convention on GN is usually to copy and paste using these .
like this
It is rather less strident than bold.

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don't know where they disappeared to
That is odd -I mean the upside down v symbols - odd indeed.

You got that wrong, Mair.

www.indy100.com/article/the-sun-veg-shortage-europeans-supermarkets-spain-7562536

Brexiteers blamed Europeans.

I know the EU is always changing Mair one of the latest things being the huge reduction in mobile roaming fees as now illegal for the companies to impose high fees.
While we are in the EU we can have a say about the laws and changes and veto if we wish. Nothing stays the same in any country/ area.
I read a report today which pointed out that despite currency value the greatest area of growth is in fact the EU area - doing much better than most other places. I will see if I can find the link again.

nigglynellie I agree. Clutching at straws or what? No-one wants WWIII, certainly not Brexit supporters.

Mr Cameron shot himself in the foot when he called a Referendum, he was so arrogant he thought he had it in the bag. Then when realisation dawned he started to panic and there was, it seemed to me, a memo sent round to get Remainers thinking of all sorts of propaganda messages to try and sway the vote his way. The trouble was that he over egged the pudding and peoples stopped believing everything he said. The 'Renogiation success' he boasted about was the clincher. Everyone could see he was lying through his teeth.

I do not think it will spoil Paul Nuttal's chances in Stoke. We know a lot of people from Stoke and they all say the same. 'UKIP is the way to go' is what they are saying. Labour have had it I think; although I believe Mr Corbin to be an honest man even if he does have some strange ideas. The Conservatives will stand no chance imo.

I am not afraid at all about leaving the EU. Lots of doom and gloom forecasts have been proven to be rubbish, lies and damn lies. We should all be pulling together now to make it work. All this panicking just makes the Market wobble; or is that the plan? Then the Remainers can say 'we told you so'!

Good to keep in mind that we are only leaving The EU, not Europe. Europe is a beautiful place. So diverse and lovely people. We have spent many happy holidays in some of the European countries and we intend to carry on doing that. Good food, wine (not me, I don't drink alcohol)and lots of sunshine. What more could you want?

We do not want to see our own country wiped off the map which was the ultimate goal, although it took a long time for them to come clean and admit it.

No one wants any country 'wiped off the map' * Yorkshire* - my word that is exaggeration to the Nth degree! They had already agreed that UK did not need to join in any further political Union - the EU was in fact very accommodating to the UK with what it allowed us to get away with. No one else had a deal like we did.
The French will really miss us as the opinion of many of the population was that UK kept the place sane with what they agreed and what they changed and opposed.