Article 50

Has anyone been reading about what's going on in Greece? They are seriously talking about leaving. They can't afford their repayment ( I think it's due in July)
What have they got to loose?

Yorkshiregal I think it would be nigh on impossible to remove us from Europe as we are all attached together on the same land mass called the European plate (part of it is under the sea) so they won't be towing us off to 'Coventry' anytime soon

The cards are stacking up for the eventual dissolution of the EU in its current state it is almost inevitable that Greece will be the next country to leave. The growing debt of other faltering countries will emerge one by one which will strain finances, cultural differences are now bubbling under the surface in some more conservative Eastern European countries.

MB said
The convention on GN is usually to copy and paste using these like this It is rather less strident than bold

Is it really? Well I shan't be adopting it thanks.

Joelsnan said
The cards are stacking up for the eventual dissolution of the EU in its current state it is almost inevitable that Greece will be the next country to leave

Bring it on!
Grexit Frexit I-tal-y-exit!

YAY! Im so happy! I always had faith that no matter what, as a democracy this would happen. The EU will surely have to be no more soon.

I've long had a feeling that Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece have always thought that it would collapse. Unlike us who are going through all this angst, they are just playing the waiting game. Only Greece took the money ( and might run) [ smile]

Only Greece took the money ( and might run) [ smile]

Quite! Good for them. The homeland of democracy.

That's a shame Mair, but if you prefer to be shouty so be it.
However to do (and I assume you do as well as harangue people) you don't leave a space between the square brackets and the word. So you should get instead of shouty [ smile ]

I personally don't find Mair shouty at all, I find her pretty honest though.

I think emboldened type looks louder than ordinary type as it emphasises what is in a post, whereas most posters know that
if you prefer to be shouty so be it
words enclosed like that by the caret or circumflex are copied from someone else's post and you are responding to them.

Traditionally Jalima ONE SHOUTS LIKE THIS not like this.

Italics I reserve for emphasis and in the absence of a quote facility prefer to embolden as a very clear way to distinguish the quote.

Thanks Saak! Yes I am very honest (though I say it myself). I refuse to speak Newspeak.

I'm not sure that hoping for the demise of other nations is a desirable emotion. I'm sure there are plenty both inside and outside the UK that are hoping and expecting a economic, social and political decline in a similar fashion. Revelling in creating the most divided nation since the civil war is not some thing I wish to celebrate.

Feeling sympathetic towards the Greeks would seem to be an appropriate emotion.
They have a long a rocky road ahead whatever happens.

Traditionally Jalima ONE SHOUTS LIKE THIS

Does one Mair?
Sometimes it is quite nice when people don't feel in necessary to shout at all, but prefer to make their point in a reasoned and eloquent manner.
Looking at televised debates from the House of Commons, "shouty" slanging matches do no favours to those who see them as an acceptable alternative to informed debate.
RL is like that, I see no reason why the written word should be otherwise, unless one is seeking to emulate the front page of a newspaper -and a red-top at that

suzied If you are referring to my post Re the demise of other nation states, I hope that's not the impression I gave. I have lived in Spain, close to the border with Portugal, so I know both countries well. I lived in Bulgaria and travelled to Greece often.
It's because I know these countries well that I believe they deserve more than the eu, particularly Greece. They were well and truly stuffed when they were 'persuaded' to join the euro.

I refuse to speak Newspeak.

Yet the biggest Newspeak lie operating at this moment is 'the will of the people'.

On a Facebook group this morning I found a link about WTO rules and how these can be used by the UK if all else fails at the end of the Brexit talks. The article explains how no country actually trades simply using the WTO rules but other agreements run alongside and are the agreements which take a long time to sort out.
It seems that the minute the UK leaves the EU the organisations which inspect and agree that UK made goods comply to EU regulations will no longer be recognised and all cargo will need to be inspected and checked at the Continental ports. The whole procedure will take about a week and cost about £2K a load - the breakdown of these costs is given. It also points out that because of the regulations in effect all food exports of food to the EU will be stopped for a while.
I read all this with interest as it is written in an easy enough form to understand. At the end I then saw who had put out this information which clearly and openly shows that for the UK to consider taking this route would be madness ---- it is the LEAVE HQ - this fact is shown quite clearly but I failed to notice it till the end. I was unable to do a link as they were only there for Twitter and Facebook but some clever person maybe able to do something.

Although Welshwife because something seems like common sense ( and maybe is)
It doesn't mean ipso facto, that because it is news put out by a group you don't like that it is therefore rubbish, but we have to take into consideration that any bit of info will come along with some bias attached to it.

The surprising thing about this piece Roses is that it is put out by the Brexit supporting people and yet clearly shows that possibly it is just not such a good idea -- it does not give any alternative ideas in the article. I would think if you google LeaveHQ and WTO rules you would find it.

I found this by a somewhat circuitous route!

leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128

Sometimes it is quite nice when people don't feel in necessary to shout at all, but prefer to make their point in a reasoned and eloquent manner.
Looking at televised debates from the House of Commons, "shouty" slanging matches do no favours to those who see them as an acceptable alternative to informed debate

Absolutely MawB! On this point, at least we are totally in agreement.

leavehq.com/default.aspx

This appears to be a group campaigning for a soft Brexit.

Those supporting such a stance are mostly not " the Brexit supporting people" but rather the more moderate Bremainers who have accepted Brexit will happen and want to make it as 'Brexit light' as possible.

It is certainly very biased against True Brexit.

If reduced to its simplest terms I'd say the average/moderate Brexiter is happy for EU and other nationals with an existing job, whether a top-flight cardiac surgeon or a Balti chef, to remain in the U.K. and a quid pro quo arrangement to be granted to UK nationals living abroad.

But they do want restrictions on future immigration, be it from the commonwealth or Europe or the US or anywhere, on those coming to this country, unless it's to fill a job, to study or to escape the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.

I'm far more interested in reading what a poster has to say rather than trying to tell them how 'I' choose to post. Besides isn't that a tad cocksure?

Not everybody is a pedant and to be honest when I have been admonished in the past I have felt like saying 'go forth'.

Each to his/ her own I say.