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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

durhamjen Sat 11-Feb-17 11:43:25

I think we agree, trisher.
My husband did not discover until he was 60 that he had a disease that was potentially inheritable, by which time we not only had two children, but four grandchildren.

Again, nothing to do with Article 50, and one wonders at the reason for conflating the two.

trisher Sat 11-Feb-17 12:48:26

It's smoke and mirrors dj try confusing people as much as you can to deflect from a reality which is unpredictable, scary and probably disastrous.

Joelsnan Sat 11-Feb-17 15:42:20

Durhamjen
Perhaps you should check the dictionary definition of 'alien' smile

durhamjen Sat 11-Feb-17 15:48:37

I don't need to. I think that calling them foreign is far more acceptable.
My EU born daughters in law know that they are foreigners in this country. Calling them alien is another thing entirely.

Rigby46 Sat 11-Feb-17 16:29:00

I think it might be difficult to discuss this without it sounding wrong but my take would be nothing to do with banning marriages but to do with genetic counselling and if wished the option of genetic screening of embryos prior to implantation. This happens already with several merited conditions and is completely voluntary of course but people do take the option up. If people know hey run a significant risk of having a child that will not reach adulthood and during their limited lives will suffer pain and multiple disabilities, what is wrong with offering them genetic screening and the choice of the screening? It would only be wrong if it were compulsory and NI one is suggesting that

Rigby46 Sat 11-Feb-17 16:29:54

Merited = inherited ( sorry)

petra Sat 11-Feb-17 16:30:02

I see that jean claude junker has seen the writing on the wall: he's not going to run for office again in 2019. He announced it on a radio programme that's going to be aired in Germany on Sunday.
is he getting worried about France and Holland?

Ana Sat 11-Feb-17 16:34:46

Still gives him plenty of time to hamper the Brexit negotiations in any way he can, though...

JessM Sat 11-Feb-17 20:25:29

Been to Dublin. Another busy European city with young people and some middle aged, from all over Europe. Some of them tourists, some of them working. Felt sad.

petra Sat 11-Feb-17 23:05:04

jessM You might be sad but there are millions of us who are cockahoop.

durhamjen Sat 11-Feb-17 23:15:30

How sad, petra, and petty.

Jalima Sat 11-Feb-17 23:17:17

^ Another busy European city with young people and some middle aged, from all over Europe^ Well, of course! A lot of people visit Dublin for weekends. I hope that old people are welcome too.

There is quite a lot of racism in Ireland - perhaps not in Dublin which is more cosmopolitan.

Jalima Sat 11-Feb-17 23:18:38

Another busy European city with young people and some middle aged, from all over Europe
It was rather a daft thing to say hmm

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Feb-17 23:29:44

Daft Jalima? It was someone's opinion. Daft or rather childish is You might be sad but there are millions of us who are cockahoop. It will actually be about half the country plus or minus, and not all of them will be "cockahoop" but just trying to get on with life as each day they realise that what they voted for never existed. The majority of the country will be getting on with trying to make it work for the best now it has been trust upon them.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Feb-17 23:30:31

thrust not trust, definitely not trust.

Jalima Sun 12-Feb-17 11:14:17

I think you're getting my post mixed up with someone else's GGMKII

yes, I thought it was a bit daft, not up to JessM's usual insightful standards! But we all have off moments, no offence meant, sorry, at least it made me smile.

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 22:28:32

Several times people who are ardent Brexiteers have asked why those of us who voted to remain have not just rolled over and given in. Here is a link to a rather long article will - if you can manage to read it all - might give you an idea.

from : www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_uk_is_being_stolen_4_reasons_we_are_still_angry_about_brexit_1_4887284

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 22:32:03

Its not about "giving in" its about respecting the majority rule then being positive about it. More damage is being done by retainers trying to fight their corner. It's costing a bloody fortune and will never ever come to be. Did anyone ever teach you to be a good loser?

durhamjen Sun 12-Feb-17 22:47:02

I like this paragraph about David Davis.

'One of the Brexiters, David Davis, says publicly in replies to correspondents to his Department for Exiting the European Union that the 51.9% referendum majority is “clear, overwhelming and unarguable”. When the Supreme Court had to be called in to require the government to have a Parliamentary debate about triggering Article 50, and it voted 8-3 – a 73% majority – he said publicly that this majority is “tenuous”. This is precisely representative of the degree of intellectual honesty at work in the Brexit mentality.'

Says it all really.

durhamjen Sun 12-Feb-17 22:47:57

Retainers? Is that what we are?
Read the article, stillalive.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 22:50:44

Im not one to read "articles" there are so many. I just know what i want to happen and it is. Ive lived the EU for years, I also live in the heart of London still and have seen what it's done. Ive seen with my own eyes!

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 22:55:59

You are talking the money it has cost - the article shows how much more it will cost UK to leave!!

MawBroon Sun 12-Feb-17 22:58:25

Im not one to read "articles" there are so many

Sadly, that is hardly the way be better informed.
Perhaps it says it all.
hmm

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 23:00:08

Perhaps you may want to "live" it a bit more rather than read an article Maw?

Fitzy54 Sun 12-Feb-17 23:08:55

I did read the article and while I found it a bit of a rant, with more than a few daft comments, some good points were made. But on the general question - should remainders just shut up and accept the result - the answer must be why should they? It's a free country and, within reason, its up to them whether and when they want to shut up. Farage, I believe, prior to the result said he wouldn't accept a remain result unless it involved a 2/3rd majority.