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Is Trump showing worrying signs of mental disorder?

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MawBroon Mon 30-Jan-17 22:09:45

This article in the Independent certainly gives food for thought, and puts things into perspective. It may explain a lot.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/donald-trump-mental-illness-narcisissm-us-president-psychologists-inauguration-crowd-size-paranoia-a7552661.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Lewlew Tue 31-Jan-17 14:03:47

Ooops... forgot link

www.judicialselection.com/judicial_selection/methods/removal_of_judges.cfm?state

TriciaF Tue 31-Jan-17 14:01:31

Alie wrote - 'maizie your long post link is the most worrying thing I've read yet!'
I agree. Reminiscent of a similar sequence of events elsewhere in the 1930s. hmm

Lewlew Tue 31-Jan-17 14:00:26

He can't sack judges, but he might think he can!

daphnedill Tue 31-Jan-17 13:56:30

There was, but not in the British press.

maddyone Tue 31-Jan-17 13:54:49

If he starts sacking judges......

This just happened in Turkey, but only a half hearted outcry, in fact Theresa May has just visited Turkey. Probably I'm missing something here, but I cannot understand why there was so little outcry about the awful recent events in Turkey.

AlieOxon Tue 31-Jan-17 13:48:27

maizie your long post link is the most worrying thing I've read yet!

Lewlew Tue 31-Jan-17 12:54:35

Yates is the tip of the iceberg...once he sees he can sack people who are not bowing and scraping to him, he will do it more often as he does in his businesses.

I wonder if he will move Giuliani from advisor to AG?

He might even try to fire the Supreme Court judges he doesn't like.

Good luck with that one, mate! hmm

Juggernaut Tue 31-Jan-17 12:44:25

Sally Yates is lucky Trump only 'relieved her of her duties'.
In many countries run by megalomaniacs she'd have just disappeared!

Sheilasue Tue 31-Jan-17 12:38:56

Think he has always been like that even before he was president, trophy wives, and over brushed hair. Has a son who goes to Africa to hunt and kill animals says a lot about a man, father, husband.

Jaycee5 Tue 31-Jan-17 12:22:19

Matthew P

MaizieD Tue 31-Jan-17 12:20:45

If he starts sacking judges, then we really are in the shit.

He has just sacked the Attorney General and many judges are political appointments within his gift. That is what is so very scary; the US doesn't really have an independent judiciary.

Their constitution was modelled on ours but they got bits wrong and/or it's deviated over the years. Mind you, ours is far from perfect...

grammargran Tue 31-Jan-17 12:18:14

Just what I was going to say Ginny - what on earth possessed Theresa the Appeaser (and I fear that's going to stick!) to invite him to the UK on a state visit within months of becoming President - it's unheard of. Apparently even Buck House was taken aback when it was issued in the middle of a press conference, she was so eager to proffer it. And that's what's upsetting me more than I could possibly have believed a few months ago, to see my Prime Minister toadying up to such an unpleasant man.

MaizieD Tue 31-Jan-17 12:16:38

Thank you ww blush

I think it's a really interesting topic.

Ginny42 Tue 31-Jan-17 12:03:08

But she shouldn't have endorsed his presidency by issuing an invitation for a State visit so soon into his term of office.

Apparently he doesn't need party endorsement for the exec decisions whizzing from his pen but, according to today's London Times, they must be legal. So he sacks the lawyer telling him he's acting illegally and replaces her with someone who gives him the go-ahead. US citizens must attempt to rein him in.

topsyturvey Tue 31-Jan-17 11:55:00

Give it time. the old adage 'Give someone enough rope to hang himself' will hopefully prove true in this instance.

The only reason Mrs May held his hand in Washington was to stop it wandering elsewhere.

she is keeping her powder dry for the moment and that is just pragmatic.
If she condemns him at this early stage she will simply alienate him and the UK is the country most likely to have some influence with him.

Luckygirl Tue 31-Jan-17 11:51:47

I take the point that making diagnoses (and making them public) without the subject being a client/patient of yours is somewhat dubious and questionable from a professional point of view. But what are these mental health professionals to do when they see someone whose instability is so clearly in the public eye and who now wields such power?

I am in no doubt at all that he is mentally unstable and that he will appoint/attract minions of poor judgement. But it is to be hoped that the public will take him to court at every turn in order to allow the law to decide. If he starts sacking judges, then we really are in the shit.

whitewave Tue 31-Jan-17 11:48:46

Cor' that was a good post maizie

MaizieD Tue 31-Jan-17 11:44:35

The problem is janep57 that compliance with the law requires a degree of consensus as to its validity, and, on a fear of punishment for disobeying it. Its ultimate instrument of compliance is the use of force; which is why any state leader can be deposed if they lose control of the army. Conversely, if you have a leader who completely ignores the Rule of Law and has control of the army they can do anything they please.

Most people are content to be 'governed' and have very little idea of how the instruments of government really work so, firstly, they can be easily manipulated to believe untrue representations of government processes; look how many people actually did believe that those three judges in the A50 case were EU stooges and 'enemies of the people' and refused to understand how vital the judges' action was to upholding our Constitution'

Secondly, because they don't know about how their government 'works' all sorts of checks and balances can be eroded without them noticing

Thirdly, 'freedoms' are easy to erode by exploiting most people's inherent respect for 'authority' (we are. after all, brought up to respect people like teachers, the police, the judiciary and even though we may question individual members of these groups we accept that they are in the main worthy of respect) or they can be eroded by encouraging such disrespect for authority and the Rule of Law that 'society' completely disintegrates.

It seems to me that there is a constant tension between those two states of total 'respect' and total anarchy which keeps us more or less in a state of eqilibrium/balance.

But what is clear from history is that that balance can be destroyed. Trump and his acolytes seem to be going down the 'ignore the rule of law' route.

There are quite a few blogs like this to be found on the web. Are they prophetic or are they the imaginings of extremist conspiracy theorists?

I don't know

Trial Balloon for a Coup?

medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.g47s5whf9

Smetterling Tue 31-Jan-17 11:42:17

I am in the U.K. and sincerely say God Bless America and keep you safe. President Chump is going to damage so much for you worldwide and at home. You can see from her body language that the First Lady is sadly afraid of him and, I imagine, with good reason......

kittylester Tue 31-Jan-17 11:38:12

phoenix, a bit late in the day, but if it was the same woman who was on Breakfast, DH and I watched in fascinated horror - she was really scary!!

Liz08 Tue 31-Jan-17 11:37:07

I have started to watch The Celebrity Apprentice USA which is hosted by Trump (BB1 Sunday evening). It was recorded a few years ago before he publicly declared his intent to run for President. I know its a reality show and he always has in mind what makes 'good TV', but it's not scripted so I thought it might show some small insight into the working of his mind. I'll bet the CIA & FBI are watching old shows of his too ....... wink

merlotgran Tue 31-Jan-17 11:27:07

I wonder how many assassination attempts there will be?

radicalnan Tue 31-Jan-17 11:22:21

The mass murderer Blair is still walking about smiling being a peace envoy, Clintons (both) are habitual liars Mrs May popped off to Turkey to sell fighter jets directly after meeting Trump. They are all mad and we are mad to put up with it.

Poor Queen has to meet with murdering despots all the time and somehow keep her sanity, let's not fall for the Trump being unusual line because he's not.

Lilyflower Tue 31-Jan-17 11:07:07

Those in power where others depend on their continued incumbency are rarely told the truth. They live in a bubble of flattery and lies and lose touch with any reality they might once have had. Dictators cannot be challenged as they will kill the critics and/or threaten the critics' families so they live in a complete fantasy world but it happens, I observe, to a lesser degree where the fleas live off the dog.

Trumpo has been long associated with narcissistic tendencies and now he has power a-plenty. However, as with Obama, the presidential authority only runs so far before it meets checks and balances as can be seen already in legal challenges and street protest.

If you look at the list of countries from which Trump has banned unchecked immigration you can see a seismic difference in the level of freedom between these rogue states and free, democratic America. Trump is not ISIS, nor Al-Shabab. He has never thrown anyone off a building for being gay or put a man in a cage and burned him to death for the cameras. It is these horrors he is trying to resist, albeit hamfistedly.

That is not to say I support Trump's actions. I don't think 'torture works' and it is also immoral and he has said some awful things about women.

janep57 Tue 31-Jan-17 10:59:59

Surely there are hundreds of intelligent people in the US establishment who are trying to work out how to get themselves out of this mess. Hopefully their constitution is like ours and the law is the highest power. I don't think there is anyone in England who can overturn a judgement of the Supreme Court - witness recent events. To be honest with the Brexit fiasco and with Trump, the establishment which got us into this mess needs to get us out of it! It needs to be remembered that Hilary Clinton won the popular vote and that only about 26% of Americans voted for Trump. What really happened was that the Democrat vote collapsed.