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Christinefrance Mon 06-Feb-17 19:32:14

I've just heard that the Speaker Mr Bercow wants to ban Donald Trump from speaking in the House. Whilst not in agreement with most of the Donald 's ideas I do believe in the freedom of speech. What do others think ?

POGS Thu 09-Feb-17 20:55:08

Ana

I think it is from a link to a petition to get Trump impeached as the link , I believe to be the one, from durhamjen says this:-

'By signing you agree that you may receive emails from RootsAction.org and/or Free Speech For People. We will not share your information. You can unsubscribe at any time.'

I tried to find out who/what RootsAction.org are but it is not very clear.

What do you know of them durhamjen.?

I assume you must know to link GN posters to the site asking for them to sign the petition.

Ana Thu 09-Feb-17 20:58:17

POGS, yes I realise it was from that link, but I never read durhamjen's links, as she knows.

I just wanted to know who had actually said those words.

durhamjen Thu 09-Feb-17 23:38:34

theconversation.com/donald-trump-could-be-about-to-end-net-neutrality-71732

durhamjen Thu 09-Feb-17 23:40:47

impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/who-we-are-2/

Jalima Thu 09-Feb-17 23:44:36

Ankers
Allegedly is a good word

or one of its synonyms:
reportedly, supposedly
(There are others)

smile

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 00:08:17

Hope you appreciate this as much as I do.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website

Sorry if it's been on before.

Rigby46 Fri 10-Feb-17 00:15:59

Yes I saw it today - love it!

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 00:31:41

This is not so good.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-apocalypse_us_5898f02ee4b040613138a951

This man is in charge of Donald Trump, who is in charge of apocalypse.

POGS Fri 10-Feb-17 00:37:37

durhamjen

Do you have any response to the question asked by Ana and myself as to the source of your link promoting signing a petition to impeach Donald Trump?

Sorry if you have given a reply in yet another one your links but I don't see you have provided an answer.

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 00:48:25

As Ana has no intention of reading the link, I have no intention of spoonfeeding her with information. I have answered you by giving you a link to who organised the impeachdonaldtrump website.
They appear to be well organised legal people. You could have found it on the site. I could cut and paste, but I think you are just as capable of clicking the link below.

impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/who-we-are-2/

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 00:50:55

freespeechforpeople.org/about/board-of-directors/

rootsaction.org/about-rootsaction/staff-bios

Just in case.....

POGS Fri 10-Feb-17 00:55:12

Fair enough, thank you.

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 01:02:12

Gets even better, Rigby.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/02/daily-mail-columnist-dan-hodges-gets-owned-by-wikipedia-founder-over-mail-ban/

Fitzy54 Fri 10-Feb-17 08:28:34

I'm no fan of the DM or indeed, the Guardian, as both have far too much political bias, but the Wiki determination of DM as effectively a fake news source really doesn't make sense to me. Looks to me to be simply a result of a concerted effort by those who don't like it's politics. Made me smile though!

Cunco Fri 10-Feb-17 08:43:16

I think it is dangerous to use any one newspaper or wiki as a source of fact, any even more dangerous to use a link to a website with a clear political slant. The problem with unfamiliar links is increased by the fact that it is not always easy to unsubscribe.

Personally, I prefer a discussion where links to factual websites are provided to back up an argument, not to make the argument.

Being hit by one-line website links is a bit like sitting in a pub having a discussion and being interrupted by somebody who walks in, slams a pamphlet down on the table and walks out. Much better to offer to buy a round, sit down and join the conversation.

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 09:16:27

Except that nobody is forcing you to read the link, Cunco. It's up to you whether you do or not, isn't it?
Lots of people on here ignore my links, and take great delight in telling me so.

Ankers Fri 10-Feb-17 09:18:33

But can you see Cunco's point durhamjen?

durhamjen Fri 10-Feb-17 09:25:09

Not at all. Can't remember the last time I went to a pub.
I don't interrupt family conversations.

If you just want me to give up GN because you don't like the links I put on, just say so.

Cunco Fri 10-Feb-17 09:33:52

Of course, I agree that nobody is forced to read a link.

I may be alone in thinking this way but I am interested in hearing other people's point of view, as well as sharing with them my own. I am more likely to listen to what they have to say if it is put in context with a factual link to back it up than if I encounter a blizzard of slanted links.

I imagine people use Gransnet for all sorts of reasons. If DJ chooses to spend time scattering pamphlets on pub tables, who am I to object? Reading a scatter of slanted links just doesn't rock my boat.

Ana Fri 10-Feb-17 10:12:28

The blue links all over the place interrupt the flow of the 'conversation', certainly. I often wonder why durhamjen can't givve her own précis of the information, or even a general overview, but no, she prefers to scatter links around.

Ah well, never mind. No need to worry about being asked to give up GN...as if!

POGS Fri 10-Feb-17 10:51:46

Cunco 08.43

Totally agree, I like the way you made your point.

I have been banging on about Fake News/C!ickbait and links to nothing more than possibly a fat bloke sitting in a chair eating pizza for a while. GN is not immune from this problem as we have seen.

As for the Wikipedia/Daily Mail I find it amusing as I used a piece of information from Wikipedia once and it did not suit the 'remit' of a poster I was 'debating' with. That poster pointed out that Wikipedia was not a good source for evidence . confused

I am not denying the Wikipedia/Daily Mail issue is an interesting one to follow however and now the link has been put on 'so many threads' I am sure it will spoken of in further depth over time.

Lewlew Fri 10-Feb-17 10:59:14

Links are important. Then you know the source and can read it for yourself. You might come to a different conclusion. A short description of the link's contents are helpful in case someone does not want to visit it.

Speaking of apocolypitic politics... Bush and Blair were on the biblical bandwagon for war together.

www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-him-to-go-to-war-to-fight-evil-claims-his-mentor.html

Anniebach Fri 10-Feb-17 11:01:27

Links can be of interest, I don't like links to people's blogs which are just the opinions of the writer

POGS Fri 10-Feb-17 11:27:15

Lewlew

Links and posts are not 'important' if they are directing you to or repeating Fake News/Clickbait/photo shopped pictures are they?

This is/has happened and sadly some don't seem to worry about it or feel as I do it is a form of breaching trust between fellow posters.

whitewave Fri 10-Feb-17 11:37:47

Blimey pogs surely you aren't so dim as to be able make your own judgement over links?