Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

I don't get the "stats"thing and they can say what they want. If you want to go by them then thats ok, i will of course state that they're pants.

I have looked up the plans for my area dj. I posted about them somewhere or other. I've also sent a response, for all the good it will do.

The reason I mentioned 'class' was because saak seems to be a little confused. She mentioned 'home grown' doctors and nurses, which has nothing to do with class. In fact, some of her rantings seem to be straight out of a UKIP manifesto. The problems being experienced by the NHS have nothing to do with class or the nationality of doctors and nurses anyway, which are a distraction from the real issues.

As we know, many in the UKIP élite would like to privatise the NHS. There is nothing in anything UKIP has ever put forward which would improve the lot of the people they know claim to want to represent. I hope the penny is dropping with the Stoke fiasco. If it isn't, I despair. That's why I sincerely hope that people will vote Labour in Stoke, whatever their view of Corbyn and despite the fact that Gareth Snell would appear not to be a string candidate. It really is important that these UKIP charlatans, most of whom are members of the élite anyway, are stopped in their tracks.

Coming to this a bit late SAAK Durhamjen* (not Anniedurham or anybody) was asked to provide facts, links, stats and that is what she is doing

"No matter what we think this government will be the government in 2021."

NHS, Annie? Appears to be missing.

Tilte of thread - can the Tories be trusted with our NHS

I mention the Tory government and the NHS and -

A shriek / order from Jen - this is about the NHS

Nothing to do with class, just bad manners

Saak did say my posts are very upperclass pretending, daphne. Nowt pretending about my class. Maybe she didn't mean class.

Nowt upperclass about caring for the NHS and wanting to keep it a National health service. The upper classes don't care a fig for the NHS.

inews.co.uk/nhs/happen-nothing-done-prepare-nhs-future/

For anyone who is bothered, there's a map on here linking to all the STPs. If you haven't already, you can find out what Hunt is planning for your area, and you can try and do something about it if you care.

Are you sure you meant 'class', dj?

Training and employing British-born nurses and doctors wouldn't save the NHS any money. That sounds like something out of Paul Nuttall's manifesto.

"Just 101 nurses and midwives from other European nations joined the register to work here in December – a drop from 1,304 in July.

RCN figures show there are already 24,000 unfilled nursing vacancies."

From www.inews.co.uk

Got a thing about class, haven't you, saak?

Im gob smacked that England doesn't invest in their young. Farming out all the time is the easy option. No courrgets, no lettuce, well we actually grown them here, same as we grow british young.

why are you shouting at annie durham? why do you constantly give statistics durham? I find your postings very upperclass pretending.

ITS ABOUT THE NHS, ANNIE!

No matter what we think this government will be the government in 2021

'A spokesman for NHS England said: “Reviewing all STP returns shows that the number of qualified nurses in hospitals, community services and primary care will in fact go up by 2020/21.” '

No it doesn't. It shows that's what they want to happen, not that it will.

inews.co.uk/nhs/nhs-must-avoid-hiring-cheaper-nurses-fill-gaps/

However I do get a bit of a kick out of them having to work over brexit. Damp under armpits the lot

Unfortunately, government is not what it should be.

Absolutely Penstemmon! Too many things are given to "private" companies that will of course want a profit, why otherwise would they be in it.

Too many politicians are business people with all kinds of financial interests in different pies. It often benefits them/family/friends to have sections of public services up for grabs.

If NHS is managed/run by a private business it will need to make a profit for the shareholders. I find this inappropriate. Public funding / taxes should not make a profit for private businesses.

If there is a 'profit' to be made it needs to be ploughed back into the service not into private pockets!

Tony Blair saw to that one.

It's hard work, isn't it daphnedill?

There is no such thing as true "tories or labour" they just sell things differently, these days.

Who was in government from 2010 to 2015?

I am not at all surprised by that link dj.

But I do think people have to bear in mind that the tories, if that is who people are going to blame it on, didnt actually get into power until early May 2015.

Having googled, I can find 2 new hospitals built in the last 10 years. And nothing before that for ages?
1 hospital in Manchester and one in Birmingham?

Then I found this!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds

We are 27th!
Imagine being in Japan!

Or even places like Hungary or Czech Republic.

Though having a bed is not going to be the be all and end all obviously.