Labour and Corbyn

When schools are discussed on QT which of Corbyns three spokespersons will be on the panel, Diane, Emily, Shami?

It is when they're not Trotskyist. No self-respecting Trotskyist would have any time for them.

So what policies do you actually disagree with?

Do you think Labour should become UKIP-lite to appease its socially right-wing voters?

Daphne, trots is no more name calling than calling a conservative a Tory

In that case annie people like you need to tell them they have nothing to fear. If Labour decides to become UKIP lite, they're finished. They're already losing some of their younger voters, particularly on university campuses, who tend to be pro-Remain, socially liberal and regard old style Labour voters as reactionary.

No, annie you've misunderstood me. Give me some examples of actual policies, not name calling, such as trots.

Daphne, think on it, he is supported by the communist party, he fought to get trots back in the party, is this a centre left politician ?

I am anti war, anti trident etc, but have no time for the communist party or the trots

I am centre left , no way is that man

I would be interested in knowing what people mean by a 'lurch to the left'. I'm interested in policies, rather than personalities or ineptitude. Which of Corbyn's policies do people think are too left-wing?

I see Labour in a no-win situation and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a realignment of political parties over the next few years.

Good post POGS,

Corbyn is no leader, he is a puppet for Momentum and the far left . Where is Corbyn? two by elections , the Brexit discussions but no Corbyn .

Prediction.

I have said before Corbyn has been used by John McDonnell and John McDonnell will attempt to become Labour Leader by the end of the year.

Given Simon Fletcher was Corbyn's 'Campaign Director' I find the timing of his resignation very interesting given the 2 upcoming
by-election in Copeland and Stok-On-Trent Central.

The other interesting comment repeatedly made is mentioning 'Corbyn's Inner Circle' . It sounds to me Fletcher was not prepared to work with likes of Seamus Milne, Momentum any longer. After all Corbyn's 'Inner Circle' are not the Parliamentary Labour Party it is his 'very own' , specially designed party, Momentum for the most part.

Corbyn used to be seen surrounded by women, now he is seen being followed/escorted by Seamus Milne and James Schneider (Momentum) wearing black coats with their collars up.

If this is true it is very interesting 'timing'.

Seamus Milne has 'just' left the Guardian Newspaper .

" Milne, who was previously associate editor, and a columnist at the paper, was initially granted unpaid leave to work for Labour, after Corbyn swept to the Labour leadership in 2015.

But he is to become a permanent feature of the leader’s team, which has recently been beefed up with a series of new faces, including the former Momentum spokesman James Schneider. "

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/19/seumas-milne-quits-guardian-for-permanent-labour-position

I wonder how much coverage the BBC will give to these political manoeuvres?

A lurch to the left will not win votes in middle England

The Labour Party us not tearing itself apart, the useless leader is , this is what he wants to do, he has been trying since the eighties

I honestly don't know what goes on amongst Corbyn's staff, but it appears that there was tension between Karie Murphy and Fletcher. Seumas Milne became a permanent member of staff in the New Year. Anneliese Midgley (Fletcher's deputy) had already resigned.

Meanwhile, it appears that Momentum is losing many of its new and young members. My DS, who's studying politics at uni, decided to go to a Momentum meeting to see what it was all about. His verdict was that it was full of bossy old men (his words), who shouted down the younger people. DD has a number of friends who were initially excited about Momentum, but seem to be disillusioned.

From an outsider's point of view, it seems that the Labour Party is tearing itself apart. I think there are some good people waiting in the wings and I hope the time will be right sooner rather than later for them to make a move.

Fitzy I don't think there's much wrong with a lurch to the left, although I think the traditional ideas of left vs right aren't relevant these days. Some of the press releases have been, quite honestly, ridiculous. As far as I can tell, Labour doesn't have coherent strategies. They're too wishy washy about things which aren't really important.

Simon Fletcher, Corbyns top aid has resigned, and less than a week before two by elections. He claims the party lacks direction .

Polite way of saying the party has a bloody useless leader

I agree that the PLP arguments over the Brexit vote has had an effect, but surely it's clear that it has lost a great deal of support as a result of its lurch to the left, and that support isn't going to return while that remains the position?

Welshwife,,if you mesn the Brexit vote, ehich do you consider honourable or not

MP's who voted according to their own convictions or MP's who voted with their constituency who voted them as their MP to represent them?

Exactly - just no real choice for the electorate. But few of the MPs, except for the Lib Dems, are really voting in an honourable way - all too scared of losing their seats. Maybe people would have more respect for them and continue to vote for them if they had the courage of their convictions!

Welshwife, who is there to speak out? We only hear Thorberry, MacDonald and Abbot . Hilary Benn spoke out and was sacked. Corbyn is concerned not with being s forceful oposition but forming a Labour Party in his own image

I thought there was supposed to be an opposition to the Govt and I have not seen any sign of one for quite a while.

I also thought that MPs were supposed to be honourable and vote for what they truly believed to be in the best interests of the country - most of them seem to be failing spectacularly on that front at the moment!

ps and I think that his 3line whip over the Brexit debate was a big tactical error. Very disappointed about that.

I don't mind repeating that I re-joined the LP to vote for Corbyn as leader. I still admire most of his principles, but have added that his main task was to unite the LP. Which he never managed to do, in fact I think the differences between the factions are greater now.
Not altogether his fault, other much bigger issues worked against this. But it has shown that he lacks tactical political instinct.

Labour may win Stoke but if so it will not mean support for Corbyn , I have been told his name is not on the fliers

It seems obvious that Corbyn supporters are trying very hard to ignore this thread. And succeeding!

It would be interesting to hear from some of his supporters Re Stoke.

Corbyn has been told to stay away from Stoke as he's ' not a plus on the doorstep' If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

Well said ( to all poster so far!)
Nothing much to add to that really, but can't see him stepping down anytime soon, think he will be defeated at the next GE, replaced and then a long long wait to get into power again.

With Labour MPs already looking for jobs out of parliament before the rush of unseated MPs following the 2020 election there soon won't be a Labour party for anyone to need to worry about.

'The communist party has a grip of momentum and the only hope is to return to the former way of electing a leader .'

I was told/asked to apologise on GN for mentioning Corbyn and his supporters and Communism in the same breath when Corbyn burst onto the scene.

How times have changed.

'Corbynistas' held him up to be a principled politician who would not flinch from remaining true to 'their' core principles . Corbyn by taking the role of Labour Leader became part of the establishment and to be a Leader he has to/had to make decisions that could not possibly please everybody.

As for whether or not there is another attempt to oust him as Labour Leader rumours will be rumours and only time will tell us the truth.

If he was happy to see decent MP's having the threat of deselection over their heads due to his electing to sit with Momentum (purely evolved for Corbyn, not Labour Party), then I don't think there will be many tears shed if Karma comes to call.