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The Tory way of governance

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whitewave Thu 23-Feb-17 13:12:57

Crises in Prisons

Crises in Hospitals

Crises in Social Care

Crises in some Academies

Crises in Local Authority services

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 18:31:49

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/04/17/dear-britain-happy-easter-dont-vote-conservative/

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 18:38:29

I wonder who fields May's facebook page. I bet she doesn't see those comments.

Fitzy54 Mon 17-Apr-17 19:04:14

DJ I don't see this sort of thing as of any real evidence of voting intentions. However there was a recent poll which put Labour much closer than I mentioned earlier. Thee weee two pills putting the Tories at about 20% ahead and a third which put them (I think) a little over half that. Just shows how unreliable polls are at the moment. I would think Labours main hope will be a bad Brexit which will give them great election ammunition.

nigglynellie Mon 17-Apr-17 19:05:13

I wouldn't have thought that TM would have a Facebook page, still less Twitter, I know DC did, but I wouldn't have thought either of these outlets would be her style, but I could be wrong!

Fitzy54 Mon 17-Apr-17 19:05:48

Didn't check the post - sorry for the typos. Becoming something of a standard follow up post for me!

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 19:08:19

"The good news is that the tide is beginning to turn against the Tories. Just take a look at the reaction to Theresa May’s Easter message on the 10 Downing Street Facebook page.

She said: “This Easter let us work together to build a brighter future for our country.”

The replies are universally negative. Here are some examples:

“You are killing people with your policies, you are destroying society for profit and you are creating a nightmare future for my children. You are morally bankrupt and using Easter as a platform to promote your evil is sickening.”

“Coming together? So we can all help push the country into its brexit fuelled nosedive. Maybe I’m missing something.”

“How dare you – you and your ongoing stance is causing more violence and hatred. Brexit has unleashed the nasty, violent side of the British – you should be ashamed, I am.”

“Don’t you dare relate your divisive, uncaring, narrow and hateful ideology with Christian faith … and what gives you the right to make Easter messages anyway? You are an unelected bigot who is hellbent on destroying, peace, security, friendship, compassion and economic wellbeing in the name of personal power and party unity. How dare you presume to patronise this country like this? And as for “coming together”… you have created the divisions, you are fuelling them and you personify them. If you had a shred of humility you would see yourself for what you are, a weak, ignorant would be demagogue. You are being weighed, you are being measured and you are being found wanting.”

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 19:10:52

Yes, Fitzy, I saw the poll with Labour only 9 points behind. I think it was yougov, which was surprising as it was set up by a Tory and lots of Tory MPs get paid for going on it. I'm sure Labour ones do as well, but Tories seem to get a lot of money for filling in polls.

Ana Mon 17-Apr-17 19:19:47

Npe. The current YouGov poll has the Conservaties 21 points ahead of Labour.

sunseeker Mon 17-Apr-17 19:39:12

Taking the postings on a Facebook page as an indication of popularity isn't exactly scientific. Kim Kardashian has, apparently, 5m Facebook "friends" does that mean she should be considered for PM or President? (and please let's not have the obvious comments "she would be better than Trump")

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 21:24:18

The Opinium poll, the one which puts Conservatives at only 9% ahead of Labour is very much out of line with all the others. It could be a blip and can't be taken seriously until there are more polls to see if it's part of a trend.

Labour is still odds on favourite to win the Gorton by election. However, the LibDems are predicted to win about 30% of the votes (up from 4% in 2015). Word from grassroots is that many Labour voters are appalled at Labour's flip flopping about Brexit and the three line whip. Corbyn is a factor. Galloway will also mop up a few thousand votes.

Gorton is the ninth safest Labour seat in the country, but it won't be for much longer.

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 21:25:02

Sorry, forgot to attach this table.

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 21:53:13

The 5th May will be an interesting day.

The councils going to the polls are mainly leafy green shire counties and the LDs are hoping to pick up some of the seats they lost when they were in coalition and have hopes in the West of England mayoral election.

Labour should win most of the rest. They're hot favourites in Liverpool, but it won't be the walk in the park they were expecting. The Labour candidate is a close ally of Corbyn and there was some controversy about his selection.

As stated above, Labour will almost certainly win Gorton,but the swing to the LibDems will be interesting.If Labour loses Gorton, somebody really should put Corbyn on a one way excursion to the moon!

The next by election will probably be Leigh, assuming Andy Burnham wins the Manchester mayoral election. Labour is predicted to hold it and should be breathing a sigh of relief that Ukip seems to have committed suicide.

durhamjen Mon 24-Apr-17 22:14:47

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Tories destroying the NHS.

durhamjen Mon 24-Apr-17 22:44:24

www.indy100.com/article/up-to-20-tory-mps-investigation-police-election-spending-2015-electoral-law-reminder-7693571

The Tory way of governance - cheat.

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 23:12:36

Polls show Wales is heading for a loss of labour to the Tories, first time in eighty six years . The poll was carried out by heads of politics at Cardiff university

durhamjen Mon 24-Apr-17 23:17:22

That's your fault, Annie, for still arguing about the Labour leadership.

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 23:19:36

Wrong Jen, your fault for supporting a weak, self centred leader

Jalima1108 Mon 24-Apr-17 23:33:28

That's very flattering anniebach that the whole of Wales is listening to you; are you shouting from the top of Snowdon? grin

Well, at least they may move away from UKIP!

JessM Tue 25-Apr-17 07:28:53

May is coming to Wales today. But will she actually break cover? To say she's been low profile in her first week of campaigning is probably an exaggeration. Invisible more like. Yesterday the BBC newsfeed on the election covered the polls, but there was no Tory campaign item, whatsoever. The lovely Laura tweeted that May was leaving Labour to stew in its own juice (impartial, even in the teeth of the gale). However it is clear that Labour has been on campaign footing for 2 weeks now, ever since that School Dinner announcement and May still seems to be dithering while occasionally emerging to say "Strong" and "Leadership" scamper back into the undergrowth.

Anniebach Tue 25-Apr-17 08:05:44

Jalima , I speak and Wales listens grin. That's how Neil Hamilon got into the Welsh Assembly

Iam64 Tue 25-Apr-17 08:05:48

May visited our constituency which is a marginal. She spoke to a gathering of tories and didn't meet or greet anyone else. A BBC news video showed her car receiving v signs and shouts from drivers on the other side of the road. We're living in interesting times. I can't imagine any result other than an increased majority for Theresa May's government. She is good at being the acceptable, reassuring face of her government. The speech she gave on the steps on number 10 when she won the leadership continues to be what she says in public. The actions she approves though, don't help struggling people do they.

varian Tue 25-Apr-17 08:30:23

That is so true Iam I can't stand listening to her sanctimonious doublespeak when she does the opposite. Actions should speak louder than words.

daphnedill Tue 25-Apr-17 08:49:05

I wish she'd go to voice training lessons. Every so often, her voice cracks and she sounds stressed (as people do when they're not convinced of what they're saying). She's not in control of her voice at all.

Granny23 Tue 25-Apr-17 12:02:26

This is the leaflet we have received from the Tories by paid delivery for the LOCAL ELECTIONS. The other side is more of the same. There is not a single mention of local issues, their candidates names, their policies if elected, date, time and place of polling. I know that this leaflet is being delivered County wide and I suspect it may be Country wide and will undoubtedly be accounted for as Local Election spending (as it first appeared before the GE was called) but it is nothing but a Party Political Propaganda sheet.

Most of the other Candidates (8 for a 4 seat ward) with their supporters, have taken the trouble to hand deliver leaflets with their picture, CV, reason for standing, plans if elected, etc.

I hope that this blatant disregard, even contempt, for local democracy is duly noted by the electorate and not a single vote is cast for their unseen, unnamed, local candidates and that they will instead vote for people with a proven track record and genuine desire to oversee our essential local services.

varian Tue 25-Apr-17 15:38:55

I wonder how it will be declared in their election expenses, Granny23? Perhaps by not naming candidates or local issues it doesn't affect the spending limit if it can be called "national"

We are still waiting for the Crown Prosecution Service to announce which of the 30 or so Tory MPs and agents are to be prosecuted for electoral fraud in 2015. If it turns out that a lot of them are guilty, they should have been chucked out within months of that election and the country might not be in such a mess.