Labour now

Rather than being negative about Labour annie and having some kind of death wish, how about writing about your vision for the future? Imagine Corbyn disappears tomorrow - what would you do?

However, he did it through PFI, and look at the complaints there.
If he'd used PQE, it would not have had the same bad press, and would have saved the NHS lots of money.

38 degrees has a survey at the moment about taxes and the NHS.
Worth doing if you care about the NHS.

home.38degrees.org.uk/2017/02/22/nhs-funding-preferences-choose-nhs-funding-ideas-prefer/

Daphne if Corbyn were to disappear tomorrow through illness I would be as sorry fir him as for anyone else. If he resigned I would have some respect fir him for putting the party first

The NHS campaign in Copeland failed

And your vision for the future?

Jobs in the nuclear industry were seen as more important.
Corbyn stuck to his principles there.

I know. I wasn't justifying the way he financed new building. I was merely commenting on how he managed to unite different factions.

Martin Baxter's 'Electoral Calculus' has been using measures for nationalistic attitudes vs internationalism for ages to categorise voters. Baxter is not a politician, but a mathematician, so he doesn't have an agenda.

Matthew Goodwin and Rob Ford have done an enormous amount of work on the rise of Ukip and the disaffection of the traditional working class. The situation UK politics is in now was predictable, so anybody who is now surprised must have spent the last few years on Planet Zog.

Baxter has calculated that approximately 49% of people are relatively satisfied with the Conservatives, so it's an enormous challenge for the remaining 51% to get over their differences and stand on the same platform. That could change as Brexit negotiations proceed, if the Labour Party finds a new leader or any other one of an infinite number of 'events'. However, at the moment, the differences between more international, outward looking Labour Party supporters (who tend to be younger) vs. more traditional nationalistic supporters seems unreconcilable.

So if Corbyn disappeared, how would you see the way forward annie? Forget the personalities for a moment and talk policies.

dj Younger voters don't have the preoccupation with nuclear that Corbyn's generation did. Voters now in their 20s really don't see issues through the same eyes as older people.

Of course people working at Sellafield are concerned about their jobs more than some vague principle about nuclear power.

I've had many discussions about the current state of political parties with my DS, who is currently studying politics, and my DD, who is a Labour Party member and was briefly a member of Momentum, so both are reasonably clued up. They look at me blankly when I mention identity politics, anti-war or anti-nuclear issues. Neither thinks much of Corbyn.

My kids are both members of CND and Labour party members.
My grandaughter is a member of CND.
They know what Corbyn is talking about.
We can all use our own children as examples, but it doesn't prove anything.

And sticking to his principles , he cost labour a seat, so when labour is hammered st the next election no doubt it will be said - doesn't matter he stuck with his principles .

A party leader should put forward the party's principles not his own and sod the rest. Corbyn has not the foggiest how to work with a party , he is doing now what he has always done , he is a lone operator.

Daphne, labour policies with a leader who can listen, compromise and work with people who have the same labour principles but accept it cannot be my way or no way.

You still haven't answered daphne, though, have you, Annie.
It's because you know that all the policies you can put forward are the ones that Corbyn puts forward. No difference at all.

Does anyone know if it is possible for Labour to win once the boundaries are changed. And if so what the swing would be needed?

Jen, will it ever dawn in you that Corbyn is the problem , voters do not want him, you do but you cannot win a general election . You have gone on and on that I have a personal vendetta against Corbyn, a lie, I say what is true about the Labour Party leader , he cannot lead the party Jen because he is a loner .

Well, exactly. I've seen many many posts where you've criticised Corbyn annie. However, apart from saying that Labour voters are 'frightened' of immigration, I've rarely seen you ever write about policies. Rather than constantly carping, the left in the UK needs a new forward-looking vision. As you are a lifelong Labour member, it would be interesting to hear about your views for that vision.

Corbyn isn't the main problem annie. He's a symptom of the problem, which is that the Labour Party has lost direction and doesn't have a unifying vision.

Corbyn is the problem Daphne, the Labour Party has a shared vision but the leader doesn't share it

whitewave It is almost impossible for Labour to win a general election without an absolutely huge percentage swing (double figures). Not only has it lost Scotland, but it will lose a couple of dozen seats after boundary changes. The LDs are hopeful that they will win back some of the marginals, such as Cambridge, which Labour gained in 2015. The Conservatives would be likely to have an absolute majority of at least 100 seats.

I agree Daphne

I agree that my children are anecdotal. However, DD is a member of Manchester Labour Party, so is up-to-date on current thinking amongst quite a large group of people in a rock solid Labour city. DS picks up views from fellow politics undergraduates and lecturers. Both are concerned about the environment and energy supply, but being anti-nuclear isn't a top priority.

Thornberry being interviewed , she claims labour needs to be united, wish she would tell Corbyn this, bet come the next leadership contest she will stand

So if it is impossible, then surely what is needed is a rethink? The Tories do not have any outright majority of votes in the country, and perhaps the only way to get rid of them is for everyone to hold their noses and join together to defeat this menace? At least in the short term

So are you saying that nuclear policies didn't matter in Copeland, daphne, because that is not what other people are saying.

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/business/Moorside-nuclear-firm-seeks-early-meeting-with-new-Copeland-MP-11e4b395-166c-49bb-8ed8-ed7490d58a1f-ds