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thatbags Thu 23-Feb-17 21:21:10

What these people have to say about Labour as it is now struck cords with me.

Peter Hurst (@peterleohurst)
'Blue labour types' right about 1thing: many trad Labour voters more conservative than many third wayers/centrists care to acknowledge.
2. That conservatism with a small 'c' includes things like loving the royal family and being proud of being British. Social dems might not
3. win via 'riding the tiger of nationalism' but they wont win via the old 'New' Labour formulation either. The 5 million voters lost
4. During the years 1997-2010 are not going to return to a party that is, in effect, the lib dems in drag Iain. prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/labou…

Lisa Muggeridge (@LisaMuggeridge)
I have noticed that Westminster does appear to believe that the only function of the north is to reliably vote Labour. And we don't now.
For as long as UKIP, the Labour left and fringe batshittery is the only alternative to Lab up here the Tories will clean up.
'Why would working class people vote Tory'. Because they cant vote Labour and the alternative is UKIP. In a nutshell.
One of the striking things about the left is this shock at working class tories, and working class people who dont want their revolution.

The photo is Hurst's Twitter profile. What it says seems well put too.

Anniebach Mon 13-Mar-17 21:35:27

I have said during and since the campaign, Corbyn was wrong not to appear in the tv debates when Cameron did.

durhamjen Mon 13-Mar-17 22:46:09

I know you did, Annie. Roses said that Cameron should have behaved like May, and therefore like you believe Corbyn did.

Corbyn made a lot more appearances than May ever did, but it's not surprising you missed them.

Anniebach Mon 13-Mar-17 23:08:50

Corbyn came to Wales once. The Leader od the Labour Party thought only one visit was needed. May was not the leader Corbyn was the leader, nothing changed this , no use keeping on about it so you can keep talking about the man. He was the leader of the lsbour party and the party supported to remain. Perhaps the fact he has always wanted out had something to do with his refusal to take part in tv debates

durhamjen Mon 13-Mar-17 23:14:38

You know that's not true, Annie. Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with Cameron because he had different reasons for supporting remain. He said so at the time, but you weren't listening. Cameron wasn't bothered about workers rights. Corbyn is.

durhamjen Mon 13-Mar-17 23:16:02

labourlist.org/2016/03/corbyn-refuses-to-share-a-platform-with-cameron-on-the-eu/

Just to remind you why.

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 00:03:27

* Cameron wasn't bothered about workers rights. Corbyn is. * But not bothered enough to turn up to his own rally to defend the rights of EU workers in Britain.

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 08:36:01

Hardly surprising I missed Corbyns many ! appearances , he came to Wales once and that was to Cardiff .

So Corbyn refused to take part in tv debates because he didn't agree with Cameron,

mmmmm, so his meetings with Hamas and the IRA must mean he supported them else he would hsve treated them as he did Cameron .

Corbyn has always wanted out of the E.U, fsct.

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 08:40:31

Chewbacca, do you mean Corbyn didn't turn up last night?

rosesarered Tue 14-Mar-17 08:42:39

What!?

rosesarered Tue 14-Mar-17 08:42:53

Did he have a migraine?

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 08:47:31

What I can't get my head around Anniebach , is why Corbyn would go to the trouble of organising a rally to garner support for EU workers; advertise it heavily: wait until everyone else is there and just don't bother turning up ? He's shown utter contempt and a lack of respect to his party supporters and the EU workers welfare and future that he, allegedly, felt so strongly about. Contemptible.

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 08:51:00

No idea if he was there Rosesarered, he is an plonker, sooooo eighties poor man.

If a migraine bet it was caused by his Lenin cap

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 08:51:17

That's correct Anniebach , here's the link

uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-fails-to-turn-up-to-his-own-emergency-brexit-rally-2017-3

petra Tue 14-Mar-17 08:54:45

He's beyond contemptible, isn't he?

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 08:56:03

Chewbacca, I didn't know he hadn't bothered to turn up . He didn't organise the rally , it was organised by his fan club Momentum , they organise all his events so he just has to turn up when told .

Jen will explain all , always finds an excuse fir him no matter how weak an excuse

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 08:59:17

John McDonnell and Diane Abbott addressed the rally but Corbyn "did not appear either before or after the vote on the amendments, citing "other commitments"." And only about 150 people turned up to watch anyway. Maybe it wasn't a big enough audience for him? Maybe he just doesn't actually care about EU workers afterall? But I'm sure a Corbyn devotee will be along shortly to explain.

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 09:01:55

Thank you Chewbacca, so he had other commitments , perhaps his spring onions needed his attention or his jam wouldn't set .

So that's caring for EU workers

Yes Petra , he is.

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 09:03:10

Whether Momentum had organised it or not, Corbyn had tweeted,

"Join me tonight in Parliament Square and help defend the rights of EU citizens who have made a life here m.facebook.com/events/1304254299610323/?ti=icl
3:25 PM - 13 Mar 2017".

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 09:03:51

And then he bailed.....

rosesarered Tue 14-Mar-17 09:05:10

Curiouser and curiouser.grin

petra Tue 14-Mar-17 09:09:54

If only 150 people turned up to watch, doesn't sound as if the eu workers are very concerned either. It's not as if the 'rally' was held in the country, it was in the centre of London so one would think this would be the perfect catchment area for migrant workers.

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 09:10:22

Just a few hours later he had other commitments , thank you again chewbacca

So only about 150 there, thus could be the reason he chickened out , he likes large rallies and adoration

Chewbacca Tue 14-Mar-17 09:11:06

It's becoming increasingly difficult to defend him, when his actions are so clearly at odds with his rhetoric. I'd have far more respect for him if he simply admitted that he really didn't give a damn about workers rights; the EU or Brexit but this utter lack of respect for those that he allegedly is fighting for is contemptible.

Anniebach Tue 14-Mar-17 09:44:53

I agree Chewbacca ,at one time I thought he was a man with principles but I was so wrong

GracesGranMK2 Tue 14-Mar-17 09:59:10

Here we go again!

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