Scottish Referendum Autumn 2018 - Spring 2019

like a lot of eating! By gum, you Scots can pack it away ( respect.)

rosearered did you hear about afternoon tea at the gallery a couple of years ago, when a certain two people (who shall be nameless) confessed when they arrived that they had been tempted by a special offer of lunch they came across on their way, so were already full. However it didn't stop them doing justice to the plates of scones and cakes . . .

......and very good (and interesting) it was too Elegran

Actually I have just returned to England from a long weekend in Glasgow (might need a passport soon). It is a few years since we were there and a lot has changed. DH and I enjoyed fantastic (FREE) visits to both the Riverside and the Kelvingrove Museums. Met some lovely Scottish people and enjoyed a couple of lovely meals in the Clydebuilt restaurant within the SSEC before attending the evening events at the Clyde Auditorium AKA the Armadillo.

Meant to say we were at "C2C" Yeee-Haa !

My memory of that day is quite clear thank you. What I thought was a lighthearted look at the referendum, went down like a lead balloon. There was no booing per se rather I was asked, with icy politeness (by Jane & Galen) to cut it short as they could not/would not listen to any more.

I exited, stage left and spent the next hour sobbing in a bus shelter. I was so embarrassed, especially as my sister, who had come along to talk about CHAS, was present. Had she not been there I would have gone straight home at that point but I stuck on a straight face, managed to get through the lunch and afternoon, and made no fuss then or after, as I would never, ever do anything to upset the wonderful Elegran and her usually enjoyable meet-ups If you check the photos from that meet-up you will see that I do not appear in any of them (nor was I mentioned in the vote of thanks at the end - I didn't notice that but my sister did).

And again - comments, remarks which are aimed at the unequal Union or the Union Jack are not anti-English - unless you subscribe to the view that the UK = England with a couple of subsidiary bits stuck on.

Granny23 your memory may be clear, but it is mistaken.
I remember asking you a question, I think it was about whether Scotland would have to apply for membership of the EU in the event of leaving the UK.
I did not at any point ask you to cut your presentation short.

Can I just say sorry to the rest of the UK . you must be heartily sick of this referendum question cropping up again . I feel ashamed at the antics of the SNP especially Ms. Sturgeon . She is all out to gain independance at any cost and what a cost it will be . If we were to joint the EU ( a big if ) on leaving the UK we might loose our biggest export market by far which is the rest of the UK. There is no guarantee the EU will have us anyway . I am a proud Scot and would not want to live anywhere else but am glad my grandchildren live elsewhere .Last referendum DGD was worried we would not speak to them again if we left the UK .

Another jolly light hearted thread like the ones we have had on UKIP, on the Referendum, on the General Election and on Brexit.
I suppose it is too much to hope for that this one might retain a degree of reasoned comment, mutual respect and GSOH?
On your marks, then, get set........

I wholeheartedly agree with Floradora. Sorry everyone. I'm as irritated by the Nats as you must be. They definitely do not speak for all of us up here.

At 55.3% versus 44.7%, it was quite clear that the Nats were not speaking for everyone.
That is a large gap, and personally I wouldnt at all be surprised if the vote were to turn out much the same again.

I'm just looking at the front page of the newspaper- a YouGov survey shows 57% of scots want to stay in the UK

Yes PamelaJ1 I guess NS will just call for referendum after referendum until she drums up enough English hatred and gets the result she needs.

I resent the lie told by the above!
I DID NOT ASK ANYONE TO CUT THEIR TALK SHORT
However it was in fact very anti British and could only be described as a rant.

Why on earth would anyone want to discuss politics on what presumably was a convivial get together with people from all parts of the UK is beyond me! Recipe for disaster! which, judging from this thread, for some, it clearly was!!!

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/15/nicola-sturgeon-abandons-bid-remain-eu-poll-shows-record-level/

So Nicola Sturgeon is threatening another Independence Referendum on the basis that Scotland voted Remain? And yet this article today shows that she has plans to not necessarily seek to either rejoin the EU or "remain"?
Are the voters of Scotland being offered what we used to call "a pig in a poke"? (Don't know if the concept or saying is common in the rest of the UK, but basically means they would be giving her a blank cheque to do whatever Sturgeon wanted to do at the time) Whose eyes is she attempting to pull the Cheviot wool over?
You can't have it both ways Nicola Sturgeon.
The glaring inconsistency of (ostensibly) bleating "we want to remain in the European Union" while agitating to break up the UNION that is the UK is a travesty of government in any case. If there are other plans she needs to make them public and be honest with the electorate.
The SNP do not have a mandate to inflict a repeat of the expense or heartache of the Independnce vote - other than to promote Nicola Sturgeon's vanity. She does NOT speak for all Scots.

Having been branded a Liar and Ranter with false memory syndrome, I shall leave this discussion. Congratulations - you have succeeded in silencing me again.

I understand that many Scots want independence from the UK but is it economically viable ?

If NS succeeds in getting her referendum who will be funding it?

NOT ME, I HOPE!!
Sorry to shout but I would like to get the message across that I would be just as resentful, speaking as a British taxpayer, about funding referendum after referendum until wee Nicky gets what she wants as some Scottish taxpayers appear to be about funding the British and Commonwealth Head of State.

Does NS see herself as a future President, Head of State of Scotland, Highlands and Islands and a prominent figure on the workd stage?

Granny23
Yesterday at 12:36 you wrote: culminating in being boo'ed off while speaking at a Gransnet Meet Up
Then at 18.35 you wrote There was no booing per se

Please don't accuse other posters of 'branding' you, when you clearly either don't remember things accurately or are deliberately making them up.

No-one is trying to silence you, either. On that day 3 years ago, we were all receptive to what you had to say, until it became obvious that your motive wasn't to inform, but to ridicule and belittle.

World stage
(Correction to avoid confusion with the word 'work'!)

That's not fair Granny23.

As the one who organised that day, I suppose I am responsible both for the content of G23's talk and the way it was received (well, according to a few posts on another thread, I would be responsible for EVERYTHING anyone ever said if I "hired" them on any occasion)

It was not intended as a "discussion" of politics, but as 10-15 minutes of information on a hot topic of the day, one which was receiving a lot of ignorance and righteous indignation in the media. G23 assembled some statistics from the pro-indi viewpoint and delivered them, along with an impassioned speech on her wishes.

Some people asked questions, some were as opposed to independence as she was for it. In retrospect, perhaps it was too emotional a subject, but had I turned her down she would definitely have been silenced. As it was, her reception was not what she expected, and it hurt! That is how people on both sides of this debate have felt when their friends hold diametrically opposite views and express them forcibly.

So enough of the personal thumping, in either direction, please. Don't make this yet another arena for falling out over politics. There are already too many of those.

Wouldn't it be great to have the truth, the whole truth etc. in these ghastly never ending wrangles? I have read the response on here from paddyann/John Jappy and if this is the truth is is a complete contradiction of those who say that Scotland receives huge subsidies from us allowing free university courses, prescriptions, old age care etc. If they are paying US a great deal of money then how is such a tiny country - with a high unemployment percentage in some cities and a terrible health record - doing all this? Can we believe anything at all that we are fed by the media and politicians? I try so hard to read all available information and develop an informed, balanced view, but eventually I am reduced to feeling I want to sit under the table rocking and sucking my thumb.

Politics arouses passions, no-one can deny that, but as adult women we should be able to discuss, question, debate without personalities becoming involved.
Don't believe all the argy-bargy you see in the Commons, after shouting "yah-boo" at each other they all go off for chummy drinkies in the HoC bar!

The Goves (Brexit) and the Osbornes (Remain) go on holiday together apparently.