Scottish Referendum Autumn 2018 - Spring 2019

MawBroon perhaps Ankers means that the result of the last 'once in a lifetime referendum' has only lasted for two or so years before Ms Sturgeon is agitating for a referendum which gives the 'correct result'.
I could have misunderstood totally, of course!
It's called 'an Irish referendum' I think.

I absolutely agree with you Carol1954 (I am a Carol also!!). I am beginning to understand how otherwise peaceful nations can suddenly turn into vicious warring factions. It is extremely worrying. I am afraid that, just as the failures of the Labour Party led to the first referendum, the abject incompetence of the current UK government to be inclusive of all parts of the UK has led to the threat of this one. In my 30 years in Scotland I have only occasionally encountered anti English feeling but it is most unpleasant. Separatist views can only bring division and some Scots Nats do blame the English for all their woes. Let us hope that, if there is another referendum, the result is another resounding no vote and the SNP are put back in their box for good.

I am Irish but have lived in Scotland for more than 30 years. Till the independence referendum in 2014 I never wanted to live anywhere else. But, as some others have said, Scotland has changed and the "silent majority" is silent with good reason - we are afraid to voice our opinion. I was told I was "brave" to put "No thanks" posters in my window. "No thanks" posters were torn down. The 2014 referendum was the worst thing that could have have happened to Scotland and now we're facing it all over again. I voted to remain in the EU but the majority of the UK want us out and the majority of people in Scotland voted to stay in the UK so we have to abide by the will of the majority. Why does the SNP want a democracy only when it suits them? The posts on GN reflect exactly what is happening in Scotland with so much ill-feeling. Someone said that the SNP aren't anti-English and she was right, they're anti anybody who doesn't agree with them. I still love Scotland and I still want to live here but I despair of the divisions the SNP have caused.

I'm with Granny23.

Ooops posted just as the phone rang. Should have read it through first.

Listening to NS's speech the other day about how Scotland only voted "stay" in order to stay in Europe, I wasn't sure who she was trying to convince. I'm not surprised at all about the latest revelations and it would appear her anti-English campaign has nothing whatsoever to do with wanting to remain a part of Europe

Today's Telegraph says 'Mrs Sturgeon's plans are unravelling as it emerged she is to abandon the SNP's policy of re-joining the EU immediately after a vote for independence amid record Euro scepticism in Scotland'. That is of course if Mrs May gives the nod for another Referendum, and she has already said there is no likelihood of that happening until after Brexit.

I do wonder if David Cameron, the original author of this whole sad, sorry mess, manages to sleep comfortably and well in his bed these nights . Just askin' ............

What do you mean two years?

If there were to be a vote, and if Sturgeon won, presumably she would want the vote to count for more than say two years!

N Sturgeon is like a terrier with a bone, she'll never let go of her desire for Scottish Independance, a wish she's had since the age of 15 apparently. If the Scots don't want Independance they need to get rid of Sturgeon along with the whole of the SNP.

I have to agree with you milkflake. DH and I were in Dumfries in the days leading up to the referendum as DH's mother was from there and we were doing some research into his family tree. We were watching a little festival of boats coming up the river (there were a lot of families around) when these buses suddenly arrived and hundreds of SNP yobs descended. Shouting, bawling, banging drums and generally making a nuisance of themselves. It was really quite frightening. Deciding to get out of the way we walked into the town centre, only to be met by another few hundred hooligans surrounding the fountain and literally grabbing people passing by. DH and I decided that we best get out of the place and being the wimp that I am I was terrified that they might find out we were English! (DH being half Scottish might've been okay).

Win/win as I see it. If they vote to go then we save lots of money; if they vote to stay Sturgeon will have to resign and walk off into the sunset.

If you don't get what you want when you toss a coin you make it the best of 3 or 5 or 7 until you get the answer you want. That's the Scot's way of doing it. The upside for Scotland is that if it doesn't work out the right way the blame will be on Theresa May for giving them permission to have another referendum.

I agree with every word you say Jane10. I can't believe we are starting on this referendum process again so soon here in Scotland when the country hasn't even begun to recover from the division and ill feeling which was caused by the last one.

I get so angry when I see headlines saying "Scotland wants another referendum"
The majority of people living in Scotland do NOT want another referendum. the first one was "once in a lifetime, once in a generation" , the SNP had their chance and the people said NO!
It also caused a lot of hatred and yobs charging about wearing kilts and waving the Saltire. These are the same yobs who try and disrupt football matches, they only have one thought in their minds and that is hatred for anyone who disagrees with them.
Families and friends were left at war with each other. the promised oil revenue was not there and yes voters realised they had been lied to. I hope it never ever happens again.

They'd better make the most of it, once we are Brexited they'll have to queue at Passport control with the rest of us!

Ps - in Italy

The Goves (Brexit) and the Osbornes (Remain) go on holiday together apparently.

Politics arouses passions, no-one can deny that, but as adult women we should be able to discuss, question, debate without personalities becoming involved.
Don't believe all the argy-bargy you see in the Commons, after shouting "yah-boo" at each other they all go off for chummy drinkies in the HoC bar!

Wouldn't it be great to have the truth, the whole truth etc. in these ghastly never ending wrangles? I have read the response on here from paddyann/John Jappy and if this is the truth is is a complete contradiction of those who say that Scotland receives huge subsidies from us allowing free university courses, prescriptions, old age care etc. If they are paying US a great deal of money then how is such a tiny country - with a high unemployment percentage in some cities and a terrible health record - doing all this? Can we believe anything at all that we are fed by the media and politicians? I try so hard to read all available information and develop an informed, balanced view, but eventually I am reduced to feeling I want to sit under the table rocking and sucking my thumb.

As the one who organised that day, I suppose I am responsible both for the content of G23's talk and the way it was received (well, according to a few posts on another thread, I would be responsible for EVERYTHING anyone ever said if I "hired" them on any occasion)

It was not intended as a "discussion" of politics, but as 10-15 minutes of information on a hot topic of the day, one which was receiving a lot of ignorance and righteous indignation in the media. G23 assembled some statistics from the pro-indi viewpoint and delivered them, along with an impassioned speech on her wishes.

Some people asked questions, some were as opposed to independence as she was for it. In retrospect, perhaps it was too emotional a subject, but had I turned her down she would definitely have been silenced. As it was, her reception was not what she expected, and it hurt! That is how people on both sides of this debate have felt when their friends hold diametrically opposite views and express them forcibly.

So enough of the personal thumping, in either direction, please. Don't make this yet another arena for falling out over politics. There are already too many of those.

That's not fair Granny23.

World stage
(Correction to avoid confusion with the word 'work'!)

Granny23
Yesterday at 12:36 you wrote: culminating in being boo'ed off while speaking at a Gransnet Meet Up
Then at 18.35 you wrote There was no booing per se

Please don't accuse other posters of 'branding' you, when you clearly either don't remember things accurately or are deliberately making them up.

No-one is trying to silence you, either. On that day 3 years ago, we were all receptive to what you had to say, until it became obvious that your motive wasn't to inform, but to ridicule and belittle.