Scottish Referendum Autumn 2018 - Spring 2019

It totally agree, Pollaidh, but you have used a lot of numbers in your argument. I happen to like numbers and don't find it difficult to understand that, although almost 52% of those that voted in the EU referendum wanted to Leave, that was only 37% of the electorate, so should never be called the "will of the people".

It is vital that those who want to destroy a Union, must have the support of a true substantial majority of the electorate (not just those who turned out on one day).

The problem is that many people are innumerate and the politicians and media twist figures to suit their agenda.

Agreed Varian! I think we should just ban referendums and get down to the business of holding the government to account through Parliament!

Pity the rest of the UK can't have a vote, after all it does affect us all! Scotland would be gone in the blink of an eye guaranteed!!!!

That is an understandable reaction, Nellie but please don't equate Scots people with the SNP. The majority said no and many more who wanted to say NO!!!!! weren't allowed a vote because we were in another part of our country.

Absolutely agree with Pollaidh and Varian! People can't be compelled to vote ...

I know varian and of course you are right, not all Scots by any manner of means want another, once in a generation, referendum! but listening to the SNP and their howls of indignant rage at being as they perceive it thwarted by wicked Westminster, when they've only just had the same referendum, is to say the least, tiresome! Mrs May of course is a much tougher cookie than D.C. who, let's face it gave way at every turn to Scottish demands, hoping, I suppose to be reasonable, when in fact he was being weak. Thank goodness he isn't dealing with this vexatious question any longer for Scotlands sake as well as the rest of us.

niggly i understand how you find the howls and indignant rage of the snp tiresome but please spare a thought for us poor Scots up here who are truly pee'd off at having had to listen to it on every news programme, read it in every newspaper and pick the leaflets full of braveheart blethering up off the doormat for the last 5 YEARS ! We are sick to the back teeth of the tripe and lies spouted by snp and are at breaking point over the snp's inability to get on with the day job that they are employed to do. Don't even start us on wee nicky flying about the country in a helicopter with a picture of her wee kranky face plastered on the side. We feel your pain niggly but ask for your support

grannypiper you sum up my feelings for me! Well said.

grannypiper, you have my support 100% as well as my sincere sympathy. Problem is I don't think your troubles will be over any time soon, sadly. But my support won't waver however long it takes!

Grannypiper you've said it all, Thankyou. And nigglynellie so have you! ?

well said nigglynellis, varian and grannypiper ( to name but few). I am a Scot living in England and I think that I should be consulted on whether I want Scotland to remain a part of the UK, and with few exceptions, my relatives still living in Scotland are sick and tired of Ms Sturgeon and her distraction techniques; stir up a bit of nationalism, blame Westminster for everything and hope that nobody mentions the catastrophic state of public services while they bang the drum. I also agree about the minimum percentages for referenda, anything which is changing the current situation should have at least 60% of the ELECTORATE not of those who turned out to vote, and in the case of the Brexit vote, that fool David Cameron really cocked it up. Firstly, he did not enfranchise 16 and 17 year olds as he allowed in the Scottish referendum on 2014, and secondly, he failed to recognise that the end of May is a time of flux for university students when they move out of rented property or halls of residence and return to their family homes, thus many a ballot paper was left in empty property. This is so fundamental that I just cannot believe his advisors did not 'advise' him, or was he so convinced of the result that he just didn't listen. That bloody man is responsible for the divisions in this country created by Brexit and I for one will never forgive him.

grannypiper am so glad that I wasn't drinking tea when I just read your post, as it made me laugh.Showed it to DH....made him laugh too.

It was the last sentence or two.

You're quite right Gill57, but for DC's complete mishandling and arrogance when conducting the referendum we probably wouldn't be where we are particularly in Scotland.
Lots of people will never forgive him, problem is I doubt he now really cares! you know what they say, 'what doesn't affect you, doesn't bother you', and lets face it, the sad truth is that whatever the outcome all round, DC is so wealthy it simply won't affect him or his family.

niggly and roses thank you for your continued support, i will raise a glass of Irn Bru to you both tonight.

My two biggest fears for Brexit was Scotland kicking off and the risk of losing our Banking sector. Watch this space.

My husband asked me to-day if Wee Nicky was the little one in the Krankies; probably.

What I can't understand, is why Scots living in other parts of the UK are denied a vote, and yet someone who has only been living in Scotland for a short period is! Even Turkey allows ex pats a vote, or am I missing something?!!

Niggly - how can you tell who is or is not an ethnic Scot when there is no register to consult and we all have British passports? The Independence question has to be asked of everyone who is currently resident in Scotland (and on the electoral roll there) as these are the people who have a vested interest in Scotland's position today and in the future.

We are talking civic Nationalism here not the 'blood and soil' type. The 'People of Scotland' are those who live and work in Scotland and call it home.

Unless granny23 they are Sean Connery and love Scotland so much that they live in Spain....but still stick their nose in.

My mum was a Glaswegian so I guess I have a bit of Scots in me. I think that Scotland should be able to have another referendum, why not. But if they decide to leave the UK then leave they do. Sort things out for once and for all. NS is a nutter though.

I suppose so Granny23, it does seem a bit hard though that if as a Scot, you have moved say for work for a given period you automatically don't get a vote. But I can see it would be difficult.
I was wonderinng what the SNP will make of Gordon Browns intervention?! I can't help but feel that its independence or nothing, but we shall see.

My God - within 5 years the U.K. could be utterly changed and unrecognisable to the one we've lived with.

SNP would be screaming for ex pat Scots to vote if they thought that would help them. There would be no problem proving birth in Scotland. You Scots outside Scotland should be campaigning for a vote next time.

Good, Im all for change. Totally sick of the government being so out of touch with real people. Watched the Lords programme and ended up laughing but not in a good way. Stupid old customs that cost the tax payers millions of pounds. Glad the building needs a refurb, hopefully all who's in there get one too and half of them never come back.

I digress. Im also sick of Scots living in the UK and moaning about us. I have couple of dear friends who are married to Scots and all they do is berate us. Get the vote, hopefully its out of the UK. Make a life for yourselves in your beloved land