Open Britain - Hard Brexit

Other way round. We made unreasonable demands first.
27-1, they can assert their authority because they have it.
We are begging now for what we want. If the EU decide not to give it to us, we lose.
44% of our exports go to EU countries. They can make life quite uncomfortable for us, and it's your fault.

Re Article 127, that is my understanding of it too ww. We are involved in two different agreements each with its own exiting procedures. We must apply to leave the European Economic Area (EEA) – and thus the single market – separately to leaving the EU itself. Article 127 sets out that procedure. So leaving the EU doesn't necessarily mean leaving the EEA. It requires a 12 month notice period. What I'm not sure of is whether the triggering of exit from the EEA would subsequently require an act of Parliament ratified by MPs and therefore whether MPs could at that stage vote against leaving and block it at that juncture.

Interesting. If we were able to remain in the EEA the impact of Brexit would be far less dramatic. Anyone know?

The EU asserts it's authority, we make unreasonable demands!!!!

Interesting to hear the EUs terms. It is asserting its authority.

What was that remark to ana?

I do wish we had a 'roll-eyes' emoticon...

Enter right the swivelled eyed loons

So the argument is that there are two entities (at least) that take part in single market trade. The EU and the EEA being the ones we are interested in.

So we are members of both, and independently so in the EEAs case.

So invoking A50 indicates that we intend to leave the EU.

The argument is that we will still be members of the EEA, and subsequently the single market?

Interestingly Leavers and remainers have joined forces to argue that we should remain as members of the EEA, because trading within the single market is beneficial to the UK and the referendum made no reference to the single market. In fact many leavers argued that we would not be leaving the single market.

Article 127 has to be invoked in order for the UK to show intent to leave the EEA.

As you may imagine there is argument over this.

Oh i had completely forgotten about that must do some more reading.

Off to do mum duties now though

Of course, there's always Article 127 which has to be sorted out as well. Just thought I'd throw that into the pot marked 'Oh we haven't thought about that yet '.

Good, at least you do not appear to support the "loons"

Do not make the mistake of dismissing all comment with which you think you disagree. There is a distinct danger that the loons want a clean break, no ties whatsoever and for Britain to launch itself into the wide blue beyond. You can hear it in their rhetoric, it doesn't take any conspiracy theory to work that out.

Trump thinks that as well.

In an increasing desperation to cast around for somebody to blame for Brexit, am sure that all social media is awash with ever more weird and wonderful theories.
I have every confidence that the talks will not break down( they have barely started.)
Listening and watching Tusk and others from Malta, it's clear that they want a fair deal just as the UK wants a fair deal.There will be lots of bargaining along the way, naturally.

Or is it because you would like to see the talks break down?

So the BBC is now barmy?

There are loads of chattering barmy ideas around at the moment in the press and especially social media......conspiracy theories abound.

By the way that includes that radical left wing not to be trusted under any circumstances BBC

Yes along with the press and social media there are a lot of us about.

Right, your own opinions ( I thought so.)

The "swivelled eyed loons" so beloved of Cameron. Remember them? They tend to be on the hard right extreme side of the Tory party.

Conspiracy theory do get a grip. I merely pointed out how they have political ambitions that are identical to Trump.

Scuppering negotiations? Read it in the press and social media, but it is also my opinion as I agree that they are a danger.

Who are these 'loons' to which you now constantly refer ww ( does it mean MP's who's politics you are in disagreement with?)
You link them to Trump ( why?) and talk about what amounts to a conspiracy theory,
In that they will try and scupper negotiations.Do you have private info on all of this stuff or are they just perhaps your own opinions.

Of course many of the loons in the parliamentary hard right Brexit have a lot in common with Trump. They agree on so much like getting rid of environmental protection, workers protection and of course the EU.

I suspect that they do not want the negotiations to go well as the are free traders. So will undoubtedly try to scupper negotiations at every opportinty. Transparency will throw a light on that, although they have already try to limit that with their letter about the BBC.

Why bother with voting in an MP then? What in earth do they think MPs do?

I saw an illuminating twitter exchange about those Henry VII powers. Leavers were contending that governments have the right to change laws without challenge. Which, once again, demonstrates how ignorant many people are about what Parliamentary sovereignty is.I think that they think that because the 'government' is made up of MPs that is the 'Parliamentary Sovereignty' bit. Which it isn't.
How can we go about educating our citizens about how our Constitution works?

Interested to read that a letter sent by the more loony element of the Tory party was sent to the Telegraph and DM trying to prevent the BBC from reporting anything negative about the Brexit negotiations.

"Keep it from the plebs - they might begin to understand what is actually happening"

I am looking forward to be able to join ranks with those who voted to take back control when it becomes clear that the government attempt to use Henry VIII powers. Sovereignty as we can all agree on it seems lies with parliament and not the executive. I invite all those who voted to take back sovereignty to join me in the fight if this happens.