Article 50 trigger 29th March

Well done Boris!

Just think of the ramifications if they heard something to our advantage too and refused to share it.
DH said it was 'potty' which is a quiet understatement.

I don't know about T May 'being an odd one' by not wanting every decision to be questioned in cabinet....apparently Corbyn is the direct opposite with the result that no decisions are ever taken.

Jalima my DGS has a blonde fur teddy called Boris.?

Well - good for Boris - for once!

Yawn! Thank good goodness I don't rely on GN for serious political discussion.

Rather pompous daphnedil

I've still got my teddy Roses, she's called Beryl.

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In Cabinet the PM is meant to be 'first among equals', not 'You will do what I say with no questions asked'. That's more like a dictatorship. Perhaps that's why she (and her Ministers) keep making silly mistakes, like the current one, which have to be retracted. If they'd discussed them thoroughly in Cabinet she might have avoided some pitfalls. But I think she depends more on her team of 'Special Advisers' (unelected officials) to do the job which should be done by her cabinet; testing decisions for soundness and foreseeing any possible problems.

It's worrying if all her Ministers are just her echo chamber.

I've still got my teddy, too. He's called, with startling originality...............Teddy.

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Spanish Cava. Catalonian, to be more precise, another area that wishes to have independence.

I'm afraid that Bobby Bear resides in a box in the attic; he is so battered and fredbare that I daren't get him out. I keep meaning to take him to the Teddy Bear Hospital.

As you were.

What's wrong with Nyetimber or any English sparkling wine?
Cheers although I prefer prosecco myself, can't afford the Nyetimber.

Giles Brandreth gave his teddy bear collection to Newby Hall in Yorkshire. Very kind of him.

This makes Brexit sound almost impossible.

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Chapel Down English wines are superb, preferable to French wine imo.

£50.00 to replump ancient teddies at the Teddy Bear Hospital Jalima. Just had Beryl done.

I will try myself I think. I did try to mend him when I was about 10 so he has bright green felt paws; no wonder he hides in a box.

Doesn't look to me like we are in control at all, or even in a position to take back control.

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'"Preserving the integrity of the single market excludes participation based on a sector-by-sector approach," the draft guideline says. Any future free trade agreement could not "amount to participation in the single market or parts thereof". It is remarkable to see months of prime ministerial rhetoric dismissed with a flick of the pen in Brussels.'
There goes any idea of free trade as well. Never mind.
I'm sure Brexiteers will get something they wanted. Can't think of anything off the top of my head, though.

They're in their bubble now Durhamjen you'll only get Brexitease talk whatever happens. The band playing on deck while the ship sinks! Perhaps it's an English wine bubble? Nice if you can afford it.

I'm surprised people are hanging onto their teddy bears given their German origin. Still they are named after an American president I believe, allies of a sort for the time being as long as we buy their GM crops and antibiotic filled beef and let them privatise our NHS. Ho hum, mustn't be negative, just enjoy as the planet degrades in front of our eyes.

What a very silly post!

You really can't get your head around being anti-EU but not anti-European people can you? The fact is that racists tried to hi-jack Brexit and you choose to believe them. There are racists on both sides. I've heard one person actually say they voted to remain to keep the black b******ds out of Europe! (I don't think he'd travelled in Europe much!) That's the Remainers for you. Insular.

Aaie09 it certainly feels as if some are standing in front of the firing squad with the blindfold on believing that not seeing means it is not there.

And, when we joined what was colloquially called the Common Market, it was just that - an economic union. The European Economic Community (EEC) was a regional organisation which aimed to bring about economic integration among its member states. It was created by the Treaty of Rome of 1957. Upon the formation of the European Union (EU) in 1993, the EEC was incorporated and renamed as the European Community (EC).

The Treaty on European Union came into effect after the Maastricht Treaty.
The Maastricht Treaty had a rough ride in national referendums. Danes rejected it in June 1992 and only accepted it in a second vote in May 1993 after receiving an optout on monetary union like the UK. In France it squeaked home by just 50.4 to 49.7. There was also evidence of public discontent in other countries including Germany and the UK.

So from 1993 the UK became part of a political union rather than a simple economic one and since then has been more tightly tied into EU law and legislation that originally intended. And the member states jumped from the original 6 (I think) to about 28.

Those individuals on here, who see life in black and white, might well assume that those who voted to leave are 'racist', and indeed some right-wing thugs probably saw it (in their simple little thuggish brains) in those simplistic terms.

Those who see the bigger picture, and just how complex and complicated the issues are, cast their vote (both to leave or remain) on wider issues. Some of us simply couldn't come down on either side due to the sheer complexity of the whole business.

But I'm fed up reading posts on this thread from those who can't accept what has been decided by the majority, and especially those extremely silly little posts by some.

And here is a typical example....

certainly feels as if some are standing in front of the firing squad with the blindfold on believing that not seeing means it is not there

The flipside of that is that I'm fed up of being accused of seeing all Leavers as racists and mindless thugs. I'm fed up with being called a "Remoaner" and not accepting "the will of the people". Negotiations have only just started and we haven't even experienced what changes our government will try to make without EU protection. It would be foolish not to hold them to account.

I thought very carefully about the issues too and read reams before and after the referendum. I made up my mind based on evidence and I'm sticking to it.

You are quite right that there are thousands of issues. I find it incredibly frustrating that some people just don't seem to recognise them and seem to think that somehow "everything will be alright on the night".

Of course, it won't complerely be 'all right on the night'. But neither are we on a sinking ship going down with all hands. There will be losses and gains, but hopefully in a few years time, we will find ourselves in a position which works better for us. Continuing as we were, mostly in the Club but not entirely; mostly accepted by the other members because we paid more, but resented deeply; just wasn't working.

Apologies for typos. In bed, raised poorly leg, cold fingers, small phone!