Article 50 trigger 29th March

"Our idea is something different. We make another picture in our minds. We think that United Europe might be a better place to live in than either the Arctic or Antarctic. And that is why we, your visitors and guests, have come here from so many lands, speaking so many languages to accept the generous hospitalities of the Hague and Amsterdam and to try to take a step forward together in harmony with the policy of our freely elected governments towards reviving the old glories of Europe and enabling this famous Continent to resume its place as an independent and self-supporting member of a World Organization. As a part in this World Organization we hope that there will soon be formed a Council of Europe which will comprise the governments and peoples of as many European states as hold our convictions and accept the broad freedoms
of democratic life established on the freely-expressed will of the people in many places, though we make great allowances for difficulties in great populations acting through Parliamentary institutions. This is the Europe which we wish to see arise in so great a strength as to be safe from internal disruption or foreign inroads. We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times, a Europe in which men will be proud to say, "I am a European".

We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any of their love and loyalty of their birthplace. We hope wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European Continent, they will truly feel "Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too". Let us meet together. Let us work together. Let us do our utmost—all that is in us—for the good of all. How simple it would all be, how crowned with blessings for all of us if that could ever come, especially for the children and young men and women now growing up in this tortured world. How proud we should all be if we had played any useful part in bringing that great day to come. And here I invoke the interest of the broad, proletarian masses. We see before our eyes scores of millions of humble homes in Europe and in lands outside which have been afflicted by war. Are they never to have a chance to thrive and flourish? Is the honest, faithful, breadwinner never to be able to reap the fruits of his labour? Can he never bring up his children in health and joy and with the hopes of better days? Can he never be free from the fear of foreign invasion, the crash of the bomb and the shell, the tramp of the hostile patrol, or what is even worse, the knock upon his door by the political police to take the loved one from the protection of law and justice, when all the time by one spontaneous effort of his will he could wake from all these nightmare horrors and stand forth in his manhood, free in the broad light of day?"

*Address given by Winston Churchill at the European rally in Amsterdam
(9 May 1948)*

Dominic Cummings, VoteLeave's Campaigns director, answered the question "Would we have won without claiming that £350m would go to the NHS?" in the Spectator in January 2017. His answer was "All our research and the close result strongly suggest 'No'."

So, were Leavers voting for £350m, to stay in the single market and to reduce immigration?

Quote from the previous link, Ana.

Did Leavers all know that Brexit would mean no single market and immigration not being reduced?

Quote from...?

"Despite all Theresa May's assertions, Parliament will do what it will with the deal: accept it, send the PM back to the negotiating table, reject it and fall out of the EU, or alternatively, withdraw notification for want of an acceptable deal. Parliament will decide what is in the best interest of the UK and all its peoples and nations.

If necessary, the People's Challenge will take legal action, as it has already done. The Government will be held to account and MPs will be encouraged and supported in the process of deciding what is in the best interests of ALL the nations and citizens of the UK."

Since it was impossible to know what would be negotiated with the EU after article 50 was triggered then yes, Brexit did mean Brexit.Short of a crystal ball, the Government could hardly say anything else, ( but glad that you still have your sense of humour ww)

Brexit means Brexit * rose *

We did know what we were voting for.....to leave the EU!
However it will be done, it will be done.

Far too many lemmings, varian, although the consensus now is that even lemmings aren't so daft.

At the end of the negotiations, the British people, who did not know what they were voting for in 2016, should be offered the choiceof the deal on the table or stzy as wdre are in the EU with all its benefits.

OK we might look stupid having to back track and eat humple pie but that sould be far far better than jumping off a cliff

It is still possible to withdraw, despite what the Brexiteers say.

www.crowdjustice.org/case/parliament-take-control/?utm_source=sendinblue&utm_campaign=Update_467_on_The_Second_Peoples_Challenge_helping_Parliament_take_control_March_27_2017&utm_medium=email#case_campaign_update

I noticed that Barnier said a lot about the EU and UK citizens working in other countries. "Citizens first", he said.
Good.

ilovecheese I will have to watch the Question time special tonight.

Some civil servants read the Daily Mail

(for every argument there is a counter-argument )

Sorry - unfair slight on Daily Mail readers! I really meant the Daily Mail headline writers will get worked up about the prospect of too many civil servants. I can see the headlines now.

jalima I have slapped my wrist and told myself to be quiet.

Special "Question Time" programme tonight. "Britain after Brexit". Should be good if Dimbleby lets anyone else get a word in.

Girls, girls, girls - please don't squabble!!
(as I say to the DGD who were the best of friends yesterday after a couple of days apart )

I know, whitewave - you too!

What a charmer you are ana

Good jalima

Same old, same old from you whitewave - about everything!

It's a long story whitewave and it is a first world problem!! Sorted now though.

There's you are ana look at jalimas response, a light hearted response to a light hearted comment.

Why the steam? jalima

Some Daily Mail readers can do complexity harmless

although my brain has been dulled somewhat by a much-needed glass of this evening despite my 'no wine in the week vow'.
(First world problem)